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    Default BCD 4 discovery...Many pics!

    Some of you are probably already familiar with this rifle from my post on Gunboards, but I wanted to share it here too. I just just discovered this forum and I guess it is more appropriate than ever for me to buy Mr. Farb's and BruceK's Kriegsmodell book!

    Anyway, I went to a local estate auction on Saturday and saw this rifle in a "junk/odds n'ends" pile(along with shotgun barrels, broken blackpowder rifles, etc.) on the last table of things to be auctioned. In the sale catalog it was merely described as "Lot# 198: Mauser, AS-IS, 88200". The few other milsurps there were nothing impressive but I felt a twinge of excitement when my eyes locked onto what appeared to be an honest, intact K98. My heart really started beating when I noticed the key safety and then the checkered buttplate and the drilled and tapped receiver. Better yet, it was matching. I kept telling myself not to get excited since the likelihood was this was a fake, something someone had thrown together. Still I felt good about it so I decided to take the plunge and give it a shot. It was one of the last things to be auctioned and the crowd had thinned considerably. Me and another guy were the only ones interested and I was lucky enough to prevail on my gamble. I paid less than $1k for it so I was happy. It also came with a muzzle cover and some sort of old web sling. I've contacted the auction house in search for the scope and mount. It's a long shot, but worth the effort I think...

    As I said, all the numbers I can see are matching (ie: bolt, barrel, safety). It looks like it sat neglected in a closet for 60 years as the stock is very course and dry and the metal finish has some rust on it. Surprisingly, the bore is mint.

    The sling appears to be an old piece of webbing but I have no idea if it's some sort of ersatz German sling or something a GI added. It is not nailed to the stock, nor does it have any markings. It is inserted into the sling slot in the stock and tied into a knot to keep it from slipping through. It looks like it has been on the rifle for a long time. I've heard the topic of German web slings is controversial so I'm not sure what to make of it.

    To be sure, I have not done a thing to the rifle. The way it appears in the pics is the way I got it. I am hesitant to clean it, but if I do, it will be with careful consideration and with as much advice as I can get from the experts.





















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    Really Nice Find , Man nothing like one just out of the Closet .
    Best Regards Dave Roberts

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    First, Welcome to the forum. Second, man, that is a great out of the closet find! Finding an original base shouldn't be too much of a problem if you ask the right guys, but it won't be cheap.

    Your sling appears to be a gas mask cannister sling- I've seen these used as rifle slings before, even misidentified in books as late war slings. It's probably the one the vet placed there though.

    The rifle itself is a late bcd4 produced in early 45, probably Feb or so. Everything on it looks right too. As for cleaning it, there really isn't much you can do for the surface patina- if you try to use bronze wool on it you will only make the gun unattractive- I'd leave it exactly as it is and just wipe the metal with an oily rag. Quite a treasure- good thing you went for it! I see a lot of scopes and mounts in that serial range too, so who knows, the original mount may show up one day.
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    Sniper or not, you know I love dusty closet guns in this condition..


    Look at that wood farb!!!!



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    Thats a real sweetheart Wolfsburg. Welcome.

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    Outstanding find, as I posted Wolfsburg. That gets a pic sticky. Thanks for sharing it.

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    Absolutely fantastic! You're a lucky fellow.
    Wanted: bolt number 6515 for a dou.42 K98.

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    Thanks all for the kind words! I suppose I should take some nice outdoors shots of it sometime, especially now that it's stickied! I'd be glad to take more pics, if so desired, though I'm not yet brave enough to take the barrelled action out of the stock.

    One thing I have noticed is that the stock almost seems oversized. It feels thick around the wrist, and is very proud around the metal. You can especially see this in the buttplate pic.

    I was surprised to see milled parts on a late war rifle, espcially a milled triggerguard with no provisions for locking screws. I always assumed they had transitioned to stamped components totally by '45. I have a lot to learn.

    Fascinating information regarding the gas mask canister suspension being used as a sling. I guess it serves the purpose.

    As far as cleaning, should some Howard's Feed N Wax for the stock and a coat of oil for the metal be enough or should I even do that? I've used 0000 steel wool before to remove rust with no noticeable finish loss, but I've heard that even this is a big no-no. With such an expensive rifle, I'm not willing to take any chances.

    Also, it wouldn't be a cardinal sin to try and put a scope and mount back on it? There's no way I could afford such a set up, but I guess it won't hurt to keep my eyes peeled. I still haven't heard back from the auction house, so I'd be surprised if I have any luck getting in touch with the estate and in turn tracking down the original mount, if it's even around at all. I just keep telling myself that I should be grateful for the luck I've had, even if I don't find the stuff that was removed. I keep second guessing myself about whether the scope and mount were at the auction and I somehow didn't see or recognize them. I'm pretty sure they weren't there, but I still have that seed of doubt in the back of my mind. I don't suppose anyone has ever started a "missing scope mount" directory, have they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsburg View Post
    As far as cleaning, should some Howard's Feed N Wax for the stock and a coat of oil for the metal be enough or should I even do that? I've used 0000 steel wool before to remove rust with no noticeable finish loss, but I've heard that even this is a big no-no. With such an expensive rifle, I'm not willing to take any chances.

    Also, it wouldn't be a cardinal sin to try and put a scope and mount back on it? There's no way I could afford such a set up, but I guess it won't hurt to keep my eyes peeled. I still haven't heard back from the auction house, so I'd be surprised if I have any luck getting in touch with the estate and in turn tracking down the original mount, if it's even around at all. I just keep telling myself that I should be grateful for the luck I've had, even if I don't find the stuff that was removed. I keep second guessing myself about whether the scope and mount were at the auction and I somehow didn't see or recognize them. I'm pretty sure they weren't there, but I still have that seed of doubt in the back of my mind. I don't suppose anyone has ever started a "missing scope mount" directory, have they?
    To be honest i wouldnt even touch it. From the pictures I dont see any signs of really debilitating rust- not really any for that matter, just a lot of patina and maybe just a little air rust but nothing that will affect the integrity or value of the gun. You may want to take it out of the wood just as a precautionary measure to make sure no rust is forming under there (i doubt it). IMO the stock is also fine. Just a great rifle!

    As far as mount and scope... most will tell you just to leave it be, but if it were me personally I'd put the mount back on it and find a scope. A sniper aint a sniper just because of a few holes in the metal! Of course with a rifle of this caliber (no pun intended) it has to be done right, with original parts- which is not easy or cheap. So if you dont have the $$, network, or patience again I would just leave it be- value and collectibility can be hurt if done wrong!
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