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K98 1940 660

militarytorch

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Here comes a rifle with high polish original finish that even would impress Mitchell Mauser LOL :)

Parts that don't match: trigger, handguard and band spring.

There are no eagles on the side of the butt and no numbers on the bayonet lug.
Inside the stock the number matches but there is also another number that made me think maybe this is a rework?
I can't quite get the 2 numbers in detail but if anybody is interested in seeing them I can try to take few more pictures.

Your comments are very welcome.

Thank you.
 

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Nice rifle. Thanks for sharing it. IMO I believe the metal has been reblued and polished. The picture of the back of the rear sight leaf reinforced my feelings.

The stock may very well be a period replacement...or it may not. The ink stamp looks to be 2.12.1940. Is the buttplate, takedown discs and recoil lug marked?

Go ahead and try to get those pictures, they'll definately help.

None the less 660 1940s that arent in RC trim are hard to come across.
 
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Nice rifle. Thanks for sharing it. IMO I believe the metal has been reblued and polished. The picture of the back of the rear sight leaf reinforced my feelings.

The stock may very well be a period replacement...or it may not. The ink stamp looks to be 2.12.1940. Is the buttplate, takedown discs and recoil lug marked?

Go ahead and try to get those pictures, they'll definately help.

None the less 660 1940s that arent in RC trim are hard to come across.

Recoil lug and take down disks are not marked, the buttplate has the same serial number.
 

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Is the siderail marked? Good pictures otherwise, but try and tighten up on the wrist marking. Probably HZa or HZNa markings.
 
I agree with the comments. It looks like a depot rework/repair that someone had reblued (postwar). That's a shame.
 
Is the siderail marked? Good pictures otherwise, but try and tighten up on the wrist marking. Probably HZa or HZNa markings.
There is no k98 on the rail just blank. I looked at some 1940 660 pictures at the picture reference section and the 2 guns that are there don't have any markings either. I will try to take a better picture of the wrist marking tomorrow.
 
I agree with the comments. It looks like a depot rework/repair that someone had reblued (postwar). That's a shame.
That is ashame indeed. I only got it because I knew 660 code was somewhat rare. Now I am kind torn whether to sell it or keep it as a shooter. I have become too critical of k98s. :) I guess the curiosity got the best of me today when I bought it.
 
Is the siderail marked? Good pictures otherwise, but try and tighten up on the wrist marking. Probably HZa or HZNa markings.

I have looked at the wrist marking and I can't make out anything. I used natural light, I used 20x magnification and it is still not clear what it is.
 
Thanks, yes it shouldn't have a siderail designation as "Mod.98" begin sporadically in the bnz/41 "a" & "b" block on Radom receivers first, while the e/623 receivers keep the BSR much longer, perhaps the "d" block or so they start sporadically. Of course a e/77 G29/40 receiver would have a siderail designation but the RR you show eliminated that possibility.

I am just one of those collectors that do not like to leave things to chance if you can get the data, I always like to see the RR, BC and SR even in ranges I think I know what should be there. Databases already have many inherent problems dealing with incomplete data, unreliable reporting's and recording-compiling errors, the more you can eliminate any doubt the better.

Too bad on the wrist markings.

There is no k98 on the rail just blank. I looked at some 1940 660 pictures at the picture reference section and the 2 guns that are there don't have any markings either. I will try to take a better picture of the wrist marking tomorrow.
 
It could be any number of characters, generally speaking, and there are other possiblities, but eagle/HZaxxx or eagle/HNZaxxx, the "x" could be a combination of letters and numbers, usually letters first followed by numbers. The numbers are less important than the letters, the numbers represent workshops or inspectors probably and most depots had several. They are a tool to differentiate legit from fraud but tell you little else, but they often are associatable to specific items. They tended to work on a general item type.

Some depots changed during the war and variations exist even amongst the same organization. Far to many possibilities to give examples, do as good pictures as you can, or get a few letters if you can? A partial might be useful but you have to start with something.

OR, you might call up your local Cabelas, I hear they have some top notch experts on German reworks...!

Perhaps you could give few examples of what it might be and my eyes can see what "matches"
 
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I am not sure anything can be figured out from this stamp. Damn laminate stocks :)
 

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I can't make it out either, but it is a HZa or HNZa depot acceptance.

Not a bad rifle, if you do not have a designated shooter, you might consider this one. It is still attractive, bolt matching and though refinished still worth keeping. Original-matching this rifle would be worth a good bit, finding one for a reasonable price wouldn't be all that pleasant either.
 
I have a few stamped in that location that are HNZaInn4 (I can make out the Inn from the photos). I have a few with that marking in that location, one is super clear (pics attached).
 

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I agree. I definitely see 'HNZaInn4'. Good idea to use the loupe in the pics.
 

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