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Peter S

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The weather was nice so I took a couple of pictures.

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a couple more

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and the muzzle cover

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added this picture showing the markings on the top of the handguard

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I agree, an astonishingly nice rifle! And I can only hope the weather in New England stays wonderful!

Has to be one of the nicest S147G out there, and all the various forms and styles of "S" is really interesting. The debate and speculation as to who provided the receivers to S&S, even early on, is supported (imo) by this rifle and items like it.

Waffenamt e/116 is speculated to cover Zella-Mehlis in this time frame, and of course Walther is very much at the top of the list of firms to have taken old Simson Suhl machinery (old Fritz Walther was a 1st class early nazi dirtbag and routinely denounced Arthur Simson as a criminal, -also 1935 was the year Simson Suhl was formally "Aryanized" although the process began as early as 1933. I can’t imagine he didn’t directly profit from Simsons difficulties- he is known to have bought “highjacked” machines at Gustloff Weimar during the war). Of course it could be another firm, but considering Cate’s document on S&S sub-contractors, and JoeS writings I really think Walther is by far the most likely.

Anyway, JoeS wrote a brief little piece that is related to this topic. The brief piece is based upon a MG13 magazine where he speculates the item is reflective of events in 1935 where Walther has taken Simson machinery. However I am most intrigued by the possibilities regarding the “S” markings?
It is well known that Sauer used their logo “S&S” on many things (Gew.98 barrels, both in-house and supplied to CGH & VCS, also commercial products), and their barrels 1934-1944 often use forms of their code, or “S” which I have always assumed was just used to identify their firm.

However I am curious if this is always the case? Specifically, Joe mentioned “S” is also used to denote a spare component, and as Sauer is well known to be an assembler of others parts, I wonder if some of these “S” could represent the part as a component part supplied to Sauer?

Anyway, just something that caught my attention when I saw Peter’s rifle, and thought about Joe’s article. (which will be in most subscribers hands next week.)


Beautiful .... love the wood. Amazing!
 
Peter Now that one Brings water to my Eyes ,at heart I live for the next Sniper to come along but K98`s like this one could make me look that way also . Simply BEAUTIFUL .
This is what keeps collectors beating the bushes . Really a Fabulous Early Rifle . It`s amazing when You see a rifle this old still in this Condition . Keep em coming Peter
 
B-u-tiful rifle....,,mauser extrodinaire to say the very least.......I have to ask you...do you also find the action to be smoother and silkier than any of your other mauser actions...?

It is on mine ... and @ first i thought it was my imagination until I did a tilt test..

I cant the barrel of the gun up @ a slight angle and pop the bolt up and it will slide all the way out to the fully open position........none of my other rifles will exceed 2/3's before they hang-up and stop @ such a shallow angle..

I tried it on severl other k98s of acquaintenaces and got the same result..


To be fair none were produced any earlier than 1941 so perhaps it is just that prewar rifles simply got a little finer tolerances...?


I do have a question for those in the know..
According to BBOTW in 1935 total product
ion of s147g ,alll 3 variants was arouund 75K..?

Now that we are several years down the road from original printing, is that still considered a "good "number?....and does anybody have any idea what the breakdown is as far as numbers produced per variant...?

Again....great gun...

AG
 
I'm actually working on numbers for K and G date rifles now. It seems that the number is close, but there are some questions as to where the G date guns start. They go to the F block, which is still true based on the serial numbers I have seen, but I haven't verified a 3 digit G date yet, and haven't seen photos of one under 8500 I think. If they did start over the serials at 1 in 35, then about 75k would be right.

As to numbers of each variant, hard to be exact, but roughly I'd guess around 2500 or so 1st Var, 1000-1500 2nd Var, and the rest 3rd Var. This is a wild guess based on actual photos of guns I have seen, and could change a lot if I find more examples.
 
Beautiful 147 G Peter! And KM fleet marked no less. Outstanding piece and thanks for sharing. Pic stickied.
 
WOW!!:hail:...Nothing I can say about that one that has'nt already been said! that is the finest S147G that I have ever seen, The second not really even coming close.

That is a true gem of a 98. I especially agree with the comment on the stock, love the striped furniture!
 

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