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    Snowed in here from the Thursday blizzard so thought I would post a portion of my late war bayonet frog collection. Have always liked collecting these frogs as there are a lot of variation in patterns, maker's, dates, etc ...... Descriptive information for each example appears below and there are some pics attached as well. The identification number information is from the book Bayonet Belt Frogs by the late Anthony Carter.

    Group pic clockwise from the lower left:


    AC320 very rare pattern with steel rivets and aluminum stud, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC320 very rare pattern with steel rivets and steel stud, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC320 mixture of black and brown leather, very rare pattern with steel rivets and steel stud, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC318 scarce pattern with two styles of light steel hollow rivets and thin pebbled pig skin retention strap with steel stud, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC317 very rare pattern with steel rivets but made without retention strap, maker marked gjh and 4 (Rudolf Conte Nachfolger, Theodor Seibod, Lederausrustungen, 1944)

    No ID unusual rare pattern similar to AC317 with traits of AC320, steel hollow rivets, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC318 scarce pattern with light steel rivets (two are hollow) and steel stud, maker marked bml and 43 (Hans Römer GMBH, Neu-Ulm/Donau, 1943) - possibly a quality reproduction, undetermined

    AC318 scarce pattern with light steel rivets (two are hollow) and steel stud, maker marked 1/0750/0112 no date (unknown maker)

    AC562 very rare pattern in olive green colored webbing with textured leather pouch and retention strap with steel stud. The upper rivets are solid and made of a nonmagnetic alloy. The lower rivets are light steel hollow, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC562 similar very rare pattern in sand colored webbing without center row of stitching, leather pouch and retention strap with steel stud. The upper rivets are solid and made of a nonmagnetic alloy. The lower rivets are light steel hollow, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC318 scarce pattern with light steel rivets (two are hollow) and steel stud, maker marked 1/0750/0112 no date (unknown maker)

    AC318 scarce pattern with two styles of light steel hollow rivets and thin pebbled pig skin retention strap with steel stud, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC318 scarce pattern with light steel rivets (two are hollow) and steel stud, maker marked R.B.Nr. 0/1151/0033 no date (unknown maker)

    AC318 scarce pattern with solid nonmagnetic alloy upper rivets, light steel hollow lower rivets and steel stud. Maker marked RBNr. 0/0001/0088 no date (unknown maker)


    Another grouping will follow. Thanks for looking!
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    More late war bayonet frogs. These are standard pattern AC310 and a couple of AC311 with 1944 dates as well as one very rare 1945 date. Group pic clockwise from the lower left:


    AC310 with steel rivets and stud, maker marked KVZ and 1944 (Timmermann & Wollet, Heidelberg, 1944)

    AC310 with steel rivets and stud, maker marked H. Eger & Linde, Seligenthal/Th and 1944 (Eger & Linde Lederwarenfabrik, 1944)

    AC310 with steel rivets, thin pebbled pig skin retention strap and steel stud, marked RBNr. 0/0405/0002 and 45 (unknown maker, 1945)

    AC310 with steel rivets and stud, marked RB Nr. 0/0566/0015 no date (unknown maker)

    AC310 with steel rivets and stud, maker marked gjh and 4 (Rudolf Conte Nachfolger, Theodor Seibod, Lederausrustungen, 1944)

    AC310 with steel rivets and stud, marked RBNr. 0/0633/0001 no date (unknown maker)

    AC310 with steel rivets and stud, no maker or date (unknown maker)

    AC310 late war with light hollow steel rivets, thin pebbled pig skin retention strap and steel stud, maker marked oqq (inside pouch) no date (Deutsche Kleider-Werke, AG, Frankfurt am Main)

    AC311 scarce pattern with steel rivets, thin pebbled pig skin retention strap and steel stud, maker marked Lederwerke Windelen, Heinsberg/Rhld, 1944

    AC311 rare black stitched unfinished leather with steel rivets and stud, maker marked RBNr. 0/0375/0038 (inside the retention strap!) no date (unknown maker)

    AC310 scarce brown rough-out leather with steel rivets and aluminum stud, maker marked 0/0655/0013 no date (unknown maker)

    AC310 with steel rivets and field removed retention strap, maker marked cky and 44 (Landeslieferungsgenossenschaft Nordmark, Sattler- & Tapezier-Handwerk, Hamburg, 1944)


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    Additional examples of late war bayonet frogs. Some unusual patterns here to include bread bags, last ditch scrap leather frogs, a very rare paper piece, field repairs, etc ...... Group pic clockwise from the lower left:


    AC563 scarce thin green "bread bag" cloth material with brown leather pouch and four thin hollow steel rivets. Combination of orange, white, and black thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC563 scarce thin green "bread bag" cloth material with brown leather pouch and four thin hollow steel rivets. Orange thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC563 scarce green heavy thickness course "bread bag" cloth material with brown leather pouch and four hollow steel rivets. Green thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    No ID late war tropical pattern similar to AC316 made with a tan colored web material back but with two extra lines of center stitching and a very thin pouch made of tan folded and stitched "bread bag" cloth material. Retention strap is folded over as a protective backing for the steel stud. Combination of white and tan thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC564 rare pattern made like an AC311 but never fitted with a retention strap, black stitched unfinished leather with steel rivets, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC310 scarce brown rough-out leather with steel rivets and stud, maker marked 0/0655/0013 no date (unknown maker)

    AC308 with steel rivets, no maker or date (unknown maker)

    No ID similar to AC307 but made from late war layered ersatz paper material with thin steel rivets. Very rare frog made from the same material as late war paper belts and other items, no maker or date (unknown maker)

    AC310 with steel rivets and stud, marked 1/1136/0018 and 4. Note the period armorer repairs to the belt loop and the pouch above the frog stud hole (unknown maker, 1944)

    AC308 made into an AC310 with armorer added retention strap, steel rivets and stud. Also note the period repairs to the belt loop, marked R.B.Nr. 0/0548/0009 no date (unknown maker)

    AC310 last ditch frog made from used scrap leather with steel rivets and field removed retention strap. Note the crude construction with scrap and previously used and stitched leather material no maker or date (unknown maker)

    AC308 last ditch frog made from used scrap leather with only two thin steel hollow rivets (lower). Note the crude construction with scrap and previously used and stitched leather (some textured/some smooth) no maker or date (unknown maker)


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    Okay, so not all of of these tropical pattern web frogs are necessarily late war but many are. And since this is how I have them displayed rather than split them out, we'll just go with them as is. Group pic clockwise from the lower left:


    AC316 early pattern made from sand colored web material to the back, pouch, and strap. Retention strap has steel stud with leather patch for protective backing. White thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC316 later period made from dark sand or khaki colored web material to the back, pouch, and strap. Retention strap has steel stud with web material patch for protective backing. Scarce variation black thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC316 extremely rare blue colored web material as used by the Luftwaffe. Early pattern web material to the back, pouch, and strap. Retention strap has blued steel stud with web material patch for protective backing. White thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker). The bayonet is a very clean matching 1942 Josua Corts Sohn, Remscheid, coded 42ddl with serial number 9652 (no letter block). It appears the frog has always been mated to this piece and I will not risk damaging either to remove.

    AC559 two color middle pattern made from olive green colored web material to the back and thinner weight sand colored pouch and strap. Note the added horizontal llne of stitching at the belt loop. Retention strap has steel stud with leather patch for protective backing. White thread stitching, maker marked RBNr. 0/0365/0812 no date (unknown maker)

    No ID late war pattern similar to AC316 made with a heavy dark sand or khaki colored web material which is folded over upon itself in every area except the pouch. There is an extra line of center sticking to the backing reverse and a very thin pouch made of a single layer of the same web material. The retention strap is also folded over and has a leather patch for protective backing for the steel stud. Very heavy construction with white thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC316 two color middle pattern made from olive green colored web material to the back and thinner weight dark sand or khaki colored pouch and strap. Retention strap has steel stud with leather patch for protective backing. White thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    AC316 early pattern made from dark green colored web material to the back and pouch. Retention strap has been field removed. White thread stitching, illegible maker mark and date (unknown maker)

    AC560 early pattern sand colored web material back and pouch no retention strap variation. Carter states that this pattern of frog is extremely rare and I would agree as I have seen very, very few. White thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    No ID similar to AC560 and another extremely rare no retention strap variation. This example is a middle pattern with an extra additional line of horizontal stitching at the belt loop like the AC559. Two color brown web material back and dark sand or khaki pouch of thinner weight material. White thread stitching, illegible maker and/or date (unknown maker)

    AC316 early pattern made from dark green colored web material back, pouch, and strap. Retention strap has steel stud with web material patch for protective backing. White thread stitching, illegible maker mark and date (unknown maker)

    AC316 late pattern made from dark brown colored web material back, pouch, and strap. Retention strap is of a lighter weight web material and has a steel stud with leather patch for protective backing. Construction is actually very similar to the late war leather AC518 especially in the area of the extremely short pouch. White thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker)

    No ID late war pattern similar to AC316 made with a dark sand or khaki colored web material to the back, pouch, and retention strap. Back has two extra lines of brown center stitching. Retention strap has leather patch as protective backing for the steel stud. Combination of white and brown thread stitching, unmarked no date (unknown maker)


    Thanks for looking and hope you have enjoyed the frogs!
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    Great collection , congratulation, never saw so many rare and scarce frogs together.

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    Lance,

    Thanks for the pictures and description of your fine collection. I'm still hoping to run across a web Luft. frog one day.
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    REWARD FOR INFO ABOUT THIS PISTOL!!

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    Slash, a very fine collection. Thanks for posting, the photos are excellent and the description brief but precise. What more could we ask for?

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    Indeed Slash, very nice. Thanks for the pics, descriptions, pic stickied for reference.

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    Thanks to all for the previous comments. Dug out a few additional late war bayonet frogs from the bunker to add to the original posting. These are standard pattern AC310 except for one AC307. Group pic from left to right:


    AC310 with steel rivets and stud, unusual black body and pouch with brown retention strap, maker marked Conrad Heugken & Co., Aachen and 1944. Rare late war example stamped with a Kriegsmarine eagle & swastika over M to the lower right of the maker's marking.

    AC310 with steel rivets and stud, no maker or date (unknown maker)

    AC310 with steel rivets and stud, marked RB-Nr. 0/0335/0018 no date (unknown maker)

    AC310 with steel rivets and stud, marked 1/1136/0018 and 4 to inner area of the pouch (unknown maker, 1944). Note that the retention strap has been applied in reverse and also the field repairs to the belt loop and frog stud hole.

    AC310 with steel rivets and field removed retention strap, maker marked 0/0556/0154 and 44 (Unknown Maker, 1944)

    AC310 with steel rivets and field removed retention strap, maker marked 0/0945/0009 no date (Unknown Maker). The maker's number is stamped upside down to the reverse belt loop.

    AC307 with steel rivets and damaged pouch marked RF Nr. 0/0494/0008 no date (unknown maker). Bayonet frogs with RFNr. maker codes are extremely difficult to locate.

    I have included a couple of additional pics of the first frog with Kriegsmarine property stamp. The markings were difficult to photograph and are much clearer in person. The maker's stamping is in three lines with Conrad Heugken & Co. over 1944 over Aachen; all of which is above the Kriegsmarine stamp. Very unusual to find a property marked frog this late in the war. All Kriegsmarine frogs are scarce but examples dated 1944 are nearly unheard of.

    Thanks for looking!
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    Boy some information that must have been a lot of research and collecting I will know now when I see them some you show I have seen over the last 50 years or so I have collecting. Thanks for your effort timothy

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