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    Default 1943 Russian 91/30 Mosin Nagant

    I almost posted this in the Beutewaffen section, but I just can't quite make that jump, although tons of these were used by the Germans. I've wanted an all matching, original condition 91/30 for a long time and they just aren't available in any quantity as most stayed in Russian and were refurbed to one degree or another. I picked this one up as my lone example, and I'm pretty pleased with it. If we could find 98k's imported in this condition we wouldn't know what to do! This one has a tiny import mark at the end of the barrel, and I mean tiny and very hard to read- I think its a CAI import from the early 2000's? Anyway, no extra markings applied by the importers! This rifle is original finish, original matching numbers, and even has the original matching bayonet with it. I've seen the refurb bayos and they are ground, this one looks straight up. Best I can figure is a few crates of unissued 1943 Mosin 91/30 rifles came in with all the imports. I'm not 100% up to speed on what type of stock finish these were originally manufactured with, but this one looks like it hasn't been refinished to me, although that is comparing it to refurb rifles. Anyway, though some might like to see a really clean 91/30, it seems like a solid rifle with a mint bore!
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    I'm not much of a Mosin guy (even though I used to own half a dozen or so before they were sold to fund more mausers) but it looks good to me! You're definitely right that original condition ones are hard to find. The vast majority, I would think, went through some sort of refurbishment at one point or another.

    Good score!

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    Very scarce! In years of looking, I have only seen 5 original finish 91/30s, including this one, and 4 were 1941 or earlier. So there are not many floating around especially those manufactured after the start of the war.

    I'll attach a few photos of mine for comparison of the stock finishes. At least before 1941, stock finish appears to have been a very neatly applied red-brown varnish not at all similar to the shellac used later on. I do think that shellac is probably the original finish used from 1942-ish until the end of the war. Yours looks like shellac and it looks unsanded, so its probably good.

    I am curious about a few things: Is the inside of the receiver blued or in the white? Is the 'ОГ' inspection found anywhere on the barrel/receiver? You know, you probably just need to send it to me for an in-depth inspection.
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    Inside of the receiver is blued, looks purple like the rest of it. I didn't take it apart, the shellac is heavy on the front end and the bands don't look like they have been off, so I figure I'll leave it be, but I don't see that "or" marking on the exposed portions. So I guess it was worth the $375 it cost me.

    So what does the "or" marking signify?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfarb View Post
    So I guess it was worth the $375 it cost me. So what does the "or" marking signify?
    Easily, IMO.

    I strongly suspect they are the initials of the chief inspector (or some similar position) at Izhevsk at the time. It probably constitutes some sort of final acceptance. Interestingly, yours appears to be stamped over the poorly applied CCCP roundel, which I had always assumed was the final acceptance into Soviet service. The initials change over time: ГB is found in the mid-late thirities (36-38 at least), changes once or twice around 1939/40/41 (I forget the initials, ИН and ПП I think), is ОГ in 1943, and IO in 1944. On the early guns, the same initials are stamped on the barrel as well, possibly indicating it passed proof firing.

    Of course this is all based on my very meager attempts to catalog these changes, which are very limited by the difficulty in finding original examples to inspect.
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    That is an awesome piece Mrfarb! I've been searching for a WWI period or earlier, without any success. Over the years my nephew and me have scoured thousands, but never saw an original untouched like yours what a find! Until today I didn't know they exist, thanks for posting it. All we could find are the forced matched refurbished ones and picked up a couple nice examples.

    Love the tooling marks on the bolt.

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    Very nice, I have one similar, same importer and markings, matching bayonet, probably from the same batch. Mine may be a 1944 though. That is obviously original finish and has not been refinished. My understanding is some original rifles that had not been reworked snuck in the early batches. They are tough to find and the light, unobtrusive import mark is very much a good thing! You can't collect WW2 rifles without one.

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    seeing the blank sidewalls is cool. how much does a non-refurbed 91/30 go for nowadays?

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    Interesting is too the matching serialed bayonet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdibbs88 View Post
    seeing the blank sidewalls is cool. how much does a non-refurbed 91/30 go for nowadays?
    A matching original non-refurbed 91/30 is much harder to find than a matching non-rework K98k. I've probably seen 10 G.41Ms for every decent SVT.38. You could fill a full size pickup truck with G/K.43s before you got to the first decent nonrework SVT.40. You could fill another full size pickup with P.38s and P.08s before you got to the first original TT.33 with matching mag.

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