Jaegerspende Zielvier with SSR
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Hello My Friend , When & Were did You pick this beauty up . Hunter Donated Zeiss Zielvier . A VERY Hard to come by scope for sure . I have Zeiss Zielver that I got threw your brother when he helped with a Trade from Ingolf if I remember correctly . My Zeiss as Yours has same Range Marking on Meter Dial . But has NO markings on side of Tube . I will post some Pics also .Best Regards
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Have that sope with mount for almost 30 years. Well hidden in one of the drawers. ;-)
Thomas picked it up at a flea market.
The markings on the tube are from the gun smith who mounted it first on a hunting/sporting rifle. I do not know what company it was, because I never had it out of the mount.
"Donation" is a misleading expression. The hunters got their original rings back and were payed for the scope. For a suitable Hensoldt 4x scope the OKH (Army High Command) payed RM 125.
Thomas picked it up at a flea market.
The markings on the tube are from the gun smith who mounted it first on a hunting/sporting rifle. I do not know what company it was, because I never had it out of the mount.
"Donation" is a misleading expression. The hunters got their original rings back and were payed for the scope. For a suitable Hensoldt 4x scope the OKH (Army High Command) payed RM 125.
Wolf were the Hunters always Paid for the Scopes . It was my understanding that they could Donate the Scope. or The Hunter could get Paid for the Scope .Then the Removed Rings returned. Please Clarify so I know for certain , Best Regards
The hunters probably could donate their scopes, but in general it was intended to pay them for.
The Busch Company that inspected the scopes first, used a preprinted postcard to confirm the receipt of the scope. They only filled in the power, maker and compensation.
Still need to find one of Goerings letters where he asked his hunters to voluntary hand over the scopes.
The Busch Company that inspected the scopes first, used a preprinted postcard to confirm the receipt of the scope. They only filled in the power, maker and compensation.
Still need to find one of Goerings letters where he asked his hunters to voluntary hand over the scopes.
mauser99
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yes a donation would be a "no dollar" transaction. Not sure what donation with compansation is actually called. The usa had a similar program during ww1 and 2 for people to donate optics . I saw an episode of antiques road show where a woman had a pair of he mothers binos that had been donated to the government then returned after the war. With all the documentaton. Maybe the germans promised the same thing but never won either war.
ADDED; here are examples of u.s. attempts to get people to loan binos to the navy.
ADDED; here are examples of u.s. attempts to get people to loan binos to the navy.
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"The payment of the handed in telescopic sights occurs accordingly to the prices settled by the Heeresabnahmestelle."
That is what my document says.
The Army bought scopes from hunters. I would call it an ordinary purchase.
They were talking about prices, not about something like a renting fee.
That is what my document says.
The Army bought scopes from hunters. I would call it an ordinary purchase.
They were talking about prices, not about something like a renting fee.
Hello Wolfgang
My SSR mount 3 type has SN of Rifle 79809
Stan
Stan, looks like you have use for a nice scope from the Jaegerspende.
Got a nearly new Kahles this week. But that is an expensive scope.
Stan, looks like you have use for a nice scope from the Jaegerspende.
Got a nearly new Kahles this week. But that is an expensive scope.
Yes, I am looking for that mount some nice scope
What do you mean expensive scope
I am going to celebrate birthday very soon
Xavier
Can You show a Pic of the Stock Relief from Inner Side and Top Down or from Above.
A few Questions for You . I ask for Comparison so I can see if it is similar to My SSR
1. Is the Stock Matching to Barreled Rec.
2. Was the Sling Hook ground off on Front Band
3. Is Rear Band Numbered to Rifle or Armorer Replacement
4. Was the Original Rear Sling Swivel Hole filled with Wooden Plug.
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Xavier
IMHO , Your SSR is Very Possible to early for type 3 Base . I have in my collection a Banner 1934 Standard Model Conversion Ser#B76652 that is 100% Completely Matching and its has Type 2
Base . Best Regards .
Let me add You have a Very Nice SSR there .
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Thanks for showing.
According to German law, loan/lend is with no payment/compensation. In contrast, renting and leasing is with compensation.
I think I found the cause for the confusion.
At the end of 1942 Hitler required that 3.000 of the usable riflescopes are to be confiscated by the Reichsjägermeister (Göring) from huntsmen. But Göring has counted on the helpfulness of his hunters and renounced confiscation. The OKW estimated the need at 3.000 riflescopes. Already in March 1943, the OKW announced that the demand was covered with donated/paid for scopes.
But already in late June 1943 Hitler decided otherwise.
From: US National Archives, T-73, roll no. 179
Führer-Besprechung, June 26, 1943 on the Obersalzberg:
The riflescopes useable for the Army shall be withdrawn (confiscated) from the hunters.
I suspect that we are talking about two different processes.
First, a voluntary hand over (pre March 1943)
Second, a confiscation (after June 1943)
Thanks
Wolfgang
At the end of 1942 Hitler required that 3.000 of the usable riflescopes are to be confiscated by the Reichsjägermeister (Göring) from huntsmen. But Göring has counted on the helpfulness of his hunters and renounced confiscation. The OKW estimated the need at 3.000 riflescopes. Already in March 1943, the OKW announced that the demand was covered with donated/paid for scopes.
But already in late June 1943 Hitler decided otherwise.
From: US National Archives, T-73, roll no. 179
Führer-Besprechung, June 26, 1943 on the Obersalzberg:
The riflescopes useable for the Army shall be withdrawn (confiscated) from the hunters.
I suspect that we are talking about two different processes.
First, a voluntary hand over (pre March 1943)
Second, a confiscation (after June 1943)
Thanks
Wolfgang
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Great information Amberg. Thanks for sharing!
