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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambone View Post
    Guys,
    We disagree with Maui. However, of the people involved, he was the only one to stand tall and come here and argue his position. He gets credit for that. I have no idea as to his motivations, but I'm not going to assume them bad. If it had worked as described would such a test and COA be worth something? Absolutely. More than Maui jumped on board the XRFacts bandwagon.

    My problem is as much (or more) with those who suppressed open discussion and the full reveal of this than the ray gun voodoo itself.
    Is that entirely true? I don't think he came here and "argued his position." Yes, he showed up here, but maui didn't present his case for the XRFacts' test method in a forthright manner and answer questions. I think it's clear that maui showed up, because he was desperate to resuscitated his floundering enterprise, that was mortally wounded by accurate and factual explanatory commentary on this forum. I think it's clear that maui's performance here validated the criticisms articulated in this epic thread and KH, the god of lids, believes this forum, maui's performance included, destroyed his raygun lid authenticator gig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjg79 View Post
    Is that entirely true? I don't think he came here and "argued his position." Yes, he showed up here, but maui didn't present his case for the XRFacts' test method in a forthright manner and answer questions. I think it's clear that maui showed up, because he was desperate to resuscitated his floundering enterprise, that was mortally wounded by accurate and factual explanatory commentary on this forum.
    I mean, I think he thought he was arguing his position. He showed up and faced it, etc. etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambone View Post
    Guys,
    We disagree with Maui. However, of the people involved, he was the only one to stand tall and come here and argue his position. He gets credit for that. I have no idea as to his motivations, but I'm not going to assume them bad. If it had worked as described would such a test and COA be worth something? Absolutely. More than Maui jumped on board the XRFacts bandwagon.

    My problem is as much (or more) with those who suppressed open discussion and the full reveal of this than the ray gun voodoo itself.

    You are far too kind, after the scurrilous attacks the gentleman [?] made against you,

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveDavis View Post
    You are far too kind, after the scurrilous attacks the gentleman [?] made against you,
    I deal with contention for a living, every day, it's not even real, unless it is really personal. He was doing his best to defend that which is hard to defend. That included personal attacks I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambone View Post
    WAFmod Willi Zahn's assertion that WAF's censorship, bannings, selective deletions of posts and entire threads on this issue are acceptable because "we're handling it behind the scenes" is repugnant to the truth.
    LOL, just spent a good hour going through this long thread, and look there, who`s name do I find? The miserable fake shiller, WAF`s supreme Fallschirmjäger leader, the Tooth Willi!
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    IMHO MJ, it comes down to this: do you trust those folks there to "handle things behind the scenes" for your own good and the good of the hobby, or is it better to let transparency rule and have things sorted out that way? This thread is epic ;) But it is all here, uncensored, unadulterated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambone View Post
    IMHO MJ, it comes down to this: do you trust those folks there to "handle things behind the scenes" for your own good and the good of the hobby, or is it better to let transparency rule and have things sorted out that way? This thread is epic ;) But it is all here, uncensored, unadulterated.
    No, of course not, I don`t trust them in the front end, so back office God alone knows what goes on.
    Glad to see such a strong community here, judging by this thread and the comments. A few years ago you would have had Trolls trying to derail a thread like this, by any means possible. Seen it happen on a few forums. My feeling is that many more collectors have woken up to these past their sell by date croanies these past years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambone View Post
    I mean, I think he thought he was arguing his position. He showed up and faced it, etc. etc.
    I think that's true; in "his mind" he likely thought he explained it and likely thought this forum was populated with retards. Dave Davis has adequately described maui's mind in a previous post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjg79 View Post
    I think that's true; in "his mind" he likely thought he explained it and likely thought this forum was populated with retards. Dave Davis has adequately described maui's mind in a previous post.
    Maui's "Champagne Rune in the Tropics"
    http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=380924

    How does he escape from XRFacts "authenticating" spray paint as an SS decal? They used Champagne Rune spray paint "decals" from their collections to establish the "elemental baseline" to "authenticate" more Champagne Rune spray paint "decals"? Uh.

    Ran across a full fledged XRFacts "Provenance Through Science" COA. What does it say exactly? What "database" was used? I'm sure most German helmets result in similar lid tazer results because they are reading the substrata (steel and paint) mixed all up. Like voodoo shamans (or is it "shamen"?) reading chicken bones tossed in a bowl.......for a $250, no wait, reduced to $200, fee.
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    To the non-sophisticated crowd, that XRFacts' COA may seem impressive. To think someone would pay $200 to $250 for such a sham is hilarious.

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