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K98k 42 1940 6578 s Turd Alert

What am I looking at here specifically that calls this out as an obvious fake? I can usually spot the really, really glaring stuff but I'm far from an expert at it and I'm always looking to learn. I'm guessing this was a bolt m/m at some point in time? I'd love to know what the obvious tells are on this.
 
Cyrano4747 said:
What am I looking at here specifically that calls this out as an obvious fake? I can usually spot the really, really glaring stuff but I'm far from an expert at it and I'm always looking to learn. I'm guessing this was a bolt m/m at some point in time? I'd love to know what the obvious tells are on this.
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e/655 bolt that someone filed and polished off the old serials and added new ones, reblued the bolt. Other aspects of the rifle show clear rebluing, which was done to get it to "high condition". It was a nice, honest, bolt mm, that was "restored" to deceive and bring $4k instead of $1500. Go look in the pic sticky section for vetted original bolt serials on vetted original 42 1940 rifles and compare :

https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/picture-reference-index.45/

Also, you can find the dies used here:
www.k98kforum.com

Fakes - Die stamp library

Fake die stamps and what they look like. Some of these were photographed at militaria fairs in Europe. Guys, as you find these, please do add to it.
www.k98kforum.com www.k98kforum.com

I would normally do a series of side by sides, but I'm busy at work and it doesn't teach anyone to do their own analysis. At our expense in time and effort we provide a pic sticky reference library for this purpose. Give a man a fish and you feed him one meal, teach a man to fish and he feeds himself and others. This is directed at all, not just you.
 
The bolt shroud has been rewelded to cover the original numbers and then polished and restruck.
Safety and bolt body have been ground (badly) and then renumbered.

If you look at the listing images, the rifle is a rework so not factory original with a 2nd set of stock serials.
While this could be period done and correct, the intent of the post was to call out the obvious bolt forgery.
I also have reservations about the bluing as well.
 
Hambone said:
e/655 bolt. . .
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bruce98k said:
The bolt shroud . . .
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Thanks!

Hambone said:
. At our expense in time and effort we provide a pic sticky reference library for this purpose. Give a man a fish and you feed him one meal, teach a man to fish and he feeds himself and others. This is directed at all, not just you.
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True enough, but it also helps to have people who are experts point out the big things. You can learn a lot from self-directed study, but having someone more knowledgeable than you to throw up some sign posts is invaluable.
 
Cyrano4747 said:
Thanks!
True enough, but it also helps to have people who are experts point out the big things. You can learn a lot from self-directed study, but having someone more knowledgeable than you to throw up some sign posts is invaluable.
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Yep, but at some point a picture is literally worth thousands of words. Everyone has been noticed that the bolt, shroud, and safety are humped, and how. The next iteration of this is comparing the humped bolt here with originals. Those originals are catalogued and found in the Pic Reference Library thread where over the years I and other mods here have spent much time organizing the index by maker and date, such that once can go and find multiple 42 1940 rifles to compare the bolt numbering. Telling one that the "numbers aren't correct" is not the same as comparing pics side by side. The resource is here:
https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/picture-reference-index.45/

Again Cyrano, this isn't directed at you, but everyone. The collector who wants to learn and be knowledgeable doesn't simply accept, "the bolt has humped numbers". They go look at pics of original bolts to compare the numbers and see for themselves. For an adult, it's not necessary to lay all of that out for them, as I used to do. It's enough to provide a link to all the reference for such pics they could ever need. If they don't buy the books, if they don't take the time to click and look, well.......
 
These guys are insufferable. I called them out on Instagram over one like this and they lost their mind, cussing me out, calling me an idiot, and then blocked me. Can’t let their wealthy client pool in on their tricks I guess.
 
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