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NC Gun-Show Find: Matching BNZ 45 Q-Block

What was the gun show you went to? So I can kick myself for not going to them anymore.
Congratulations
Hey @ncreptile! It was the C&E show in Winston Salem.

I try to make as many of those as I can, and I know a few of the dealers who attend them pretty well. I traded into this via a pretty nice RC and added cash.

If you ever do decide to hit a show in that area (Triad, including Greensboro) or the Triangle PM me and we can meet up.

Cheers!


mos
 
Nice and like others have said very early for ‘45 steyr! Front screw def not original but not a big deal as others have said. Most of the repros floating around are phosphate but if u can find one that’s easily fixed as well. Steyr used the same screws as MO and the rear is correct. Also it looks like the HG might be odd-lam? That’s a nice plus too and very early for these - I’ve only seen in S block. Also any chance of posting a pic of the loop side of the lower band?
Hey @yellowkid - loop side lower band pic attached. If you need another angle LMK. Also... what do you mean odd-lam, and why would that be another nice plus?

mos
 

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Is the TG lock screw hole tapped or only drilled? That front action screw looks like it might be a replacement, the profile looks like a certain postwar screw to me, they have a slightly longer threaded portion of the shank as compared to a wartime 98k screw if so, also Steyr surface ground their screw heads instead of machining them, so they are easy to tell.
@flynaked the stock is not drilled for a TG lock screw.... just the TG. Re: the front action screw, I will add this to my search for a replacement front-band screw! appreciate the catch!

mos
 
Thanks, @RyanE... I'll take some pics outside and post them later. Appreciate it!!!

mos
Outdoor pics attached.... consensus is definitely that the stock has been cleaned, but again... doesn't look that way to me. Maybe these help?

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@flynaked the stock is not drilled for a TG lock screw.... just the TG. Re: the front action screw, I will add this to my search for a replacement front-band screw! appreciate the catch!

mos
I've heard of a variation where the lock screw holes aren't threaded, can you check to see if you have this feature? :) :) :)
 
I've heard of a variation where the lock screw holes aren't threaded, can you check to see if you have this feature? :) :) :)
Aaaaand........ yup! TG lock-screw holes are NOT threaded! Is that a variation you know anything more about? Particular blocks, other factors??? Pics attached.

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Let’s have a look at it first, before you go replacing anything.
I think you're talking about the front band screw... if so, pics attached! Hoping there's a variation where this is a known original part! :)

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Aaaaand........ yup! TG lock-screw holes are NOT threaded! Is that a variation you know anything more about? Particular blocks, other factors??? Pics attached.

mos
Sometimes the threads are hidden by gunk. Can you take most of the cotton off the end of a "Q" tip and clean out the holes a bit? It's important to be sure. :) (y)
 
Sometimes the threads are hidden by gunk. Can you take most of the cotton off the end of a "Q" tip and clean out the holes a bit? It's important to be sure. :) (y)
Right again, sir. Once de-gunked I can now see threads. Bummer (I think???).

mos
 
Thanks for going the extra mile, but this doesn't mean the TG isn't original. (y) :)
Understood… parts-bins and all that. Appreciate the opportunity to learn a little more about the lore here. What else is known about the TGs without threading? Anything? Or just that they exist as some kind of KM transition?

mos
 
I believe that unthreaded holes are the exception rather than the rule. I'm hoping Mr. Farb will weigh in because I think he's actually seen one.
 
Despite any issues this is an outstanding rifle, anyone would be happy to have it. Great score and proof that really good guns are still floating around out there!
 
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its a nice rifle overall.. Its been apart and i sure the stock was covered in varnish of some sort. Looks much better now that slobbered over with shiny crap. There are traces in the sling keeper well. Guys who know know.. Stripped and oiled with something ? Anyway, Walnut stocks are much easier to restore. Raw laminate is near impossible to restore 100 %. The 4 screw TG was phased out and this example is a transitional type. It shows up very briefly.
Upper screw is a garden variety wood screw the lower is the correct type. Sight hood is also not the correct type "steyr" rounded variant.

Little things we all pick up on. Overall much better than most guys 1st k98k buy.
 
Hey @yellowkid - loop side lower band pic attached. If you need another angle LMK. Also... what do you mean odd-lam, and why would that be another nice plus?

mos
Thx for the pic on the loop side! There’s a couple slightly different profiles you see and I’ve seen both on late steyrs and was curious on yours since you see so few q blocks. As for the “odd lam” thats a laminated stock with alternating thick/thin wood and what use to be called a “pinstripe stock” by collectors and looking at the band pic you posted it looks like the Handguard may be? You see both stocks and hand guards like this on late steyrs (as well as MO and Gustloff) but mostly in the S block.
 
Thx for the pic on the loop side! There’s a couple slightly different profiles you see and I’ve seen both on late steyrs and was curious on yours since you see so few q blocks. As for the “odd lam” thats a laminated stock with alternating thick/thin wood and what use to be called a “pinstripe stock” by collectors and looking at the band pic you posted it looks like the Handguard may be? You see both stocks and hand guards like this on late steyrs (as well as MO and Gustloff) but mostly in the S block.
Cool! I’ll look more closely tomorrow. Thanks, @yellowkid!

mos
 
Aaaaand........ yup! TG lock-screw holes are NOT threaded! Is that a variation you know anything more about? Particular blocks, other factors??? Pics attached.

mos
I was wrong, I couldn’t quite see the pictures before. These are definitely what Steyr action screws look like.
 
Lots of action going on - so it is the original trigger guard. When the requirement for lock screws were dropped Steyr just stopped putting them in and existing lock screw equipped trigger guards were used up like this. Most q blocks were bnz44 marked, not until the later a block did bnz45 markings get applied.

The only trigger guard I’ve seen with no lock screw threads are qnw marked, usually with another e/214 acceptance on the back end/ side. They are on dou rifles mostly from what I’ve seen.

IMO, leave the screws and other stuff alone. You seem to be pretty new, and you may end up changing something you shouldn’t. These small details are inconsequential to the value and may only turn out to be mistakes in changing them.

The stock was shellacked at some point and stripped. It’s not sanded, it looks good still and the toothpaste is out of the tube and won’t go back in. Just enjoy your new treasure.
 

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