God but I hate the term "one looker"
Xmas ornaments from Hilter's tree
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God but I hate the term "one looker"
Warrior1354
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DaveDavis
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What not give them the benefit of doubt.
They could very well be real.
And why not ???? Hitler, and the Nazi Party, were popular in Germany, before Hitler came to power.
And not only popular in Germany , but in much of Europe , especially in Great Britain and across the pond here in America.....
And surely there were then, as they are today, people looking to make a buck on any new trend or controversial figure.
Anyone need a MAGA hat ?????
They could very well be real.
And why not ???? Hitler, and the Nazi Party, were popular in Germany, before Hitler came to power.
And not only popular in Germany , but in much of Europe , especially in Great Britain and across the pond here in America.....
And surely there were then, as they are today, people looking to make a buck on any new trend or controversial figure.
Anyone need a MAGA hat ?????
Warrior1354
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Or a Trumpy Bear? Saw that commercial for the first time yesterday.
This is exactly the theory that keeps Walter K's business alive and why you see all those phantasy items on militaria shows.
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DaveDavis
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Yes, but can you say, with 100% certainty, these are not real period items.
No, you can not ......
Would I own them ????
No, I would not, but without proof that they are not legitimate, and there is no solid proof that they are fake, I am not going to pole vault over mouse turds to call them fake, and neither should you.
No proof they are real either, so the baseline simply cannot be “they are real”
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof" - Christopher Hitchens
The burden of proof in this case lays with the person that claims they are original, it isn't the otherway around: proof that it is fake.
And btw I'am the first and I think the only one in this thread that gave factual evidence that Swasitka Christmas baubles existed in the Nazi era.
Now it is up to the owners of them to proof that they have examples that made Goebbels put a law on the books to prohibit them.
DaveDavis
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And the alternate theory is just as true.
So unless something comes out that proves or disproves them as fake, all you have left is opinions.
And opinions are like a$$ holes, everyone has one .....
As for me, it seems this could fall either way.......
I do not have a dog in this fight, so it's ''Machts Nichts".
Like I said before this is exactly the logic why we have an ocean of fake militaria and had a Champain Rune Decal helmet scandal.
And this isn't personally directed towards you Dave, alas the logic of "proof it is fake" is the logic of a lot of collectors.
Are there any Nazi Christmas song records which have these ornaments on the album cover? Heino could have been a Nazi.
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tjg79
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That style ornament is pre-1950s from what I've observed. I'd guess at 1930s. They could be from anywhere that that type of ornament was manufactured. It's not something a lid faker could do in his garage. What about the American NAZI party in the 1930s? I'm sure there are vintage Christmas collectors that could provide some clues to their origin. They look to be of European origin, or of European immigrant origin. They need to be investigated before passing judgment. As with anything dealing with the TR, the safe position is to assume they're fake, but I can't rule out the possibility that they're genuine TR artifacts. Unlike Kelly Hicks and his blood stained CR lid he "acquired from a vet" in the "mid-70s," M45's claim that he acquired them in the 70s is credible. As I recall, there were lots of peddlers with merchandise and stories in the 60s & 70s.
12 Antique German Mercury Glass Blown Feather Tree XMAS ORNAMENTs 1930-40s
12 Antique German Mercury Glass Blown Feather Tree XMAS ORNAMENTs 1930-40s
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DaveDavis
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Anything can, has,or will be faked, if money can be made.
Fake Nazi Christmas sh!t seems a stretch, so I will with hold judgement unless or until someone comes up with definitive answers that either prove or disprove otherwise.
www.smithsonianmag.com
Fake Nazi Christmas sh!t seems a stretch, so I will with hold judgement unless or until someone comes up with definitive answers that either prove or disprove otherwise.
The Nazis Fought the Original War on Christmas
As they rose to power, party leaders sought to redefine the holiday to suit their own political needs
www.smithsonianmag.com
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Micro Jo did a whole episode on these ornaments, made in the CR (Czech Republic) or something. In their infinite wisdom, YouTube deleted and censored it. I think the ones Walter was selling looked like this. No way to know. They were knocking off Nazi stuff in 1946. Could they be legit? Sure I guess. Could they be bullshite? Sure.
tjg79
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Hitler's only got one bauble: £1,200 Nazi Christmas decorations are removed from Danish website after they were deemed offensive
- The eBay owned site rushed to remove the high value Nazi memorabilia
- 12 Christmas baubles were bought in Lithuania and were being sold for £1,200
- The seller claimed they 'were so grotesque I had to buy them'
- The Christmas tree decorations feature swastikas and the emblem of the SS
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...stmas-decorations-removed-Danish-website.html
Inside a Nazi Christmas party hosted by Adolf Hitler, 1941
Inside a Nazi Christmas Party Hosted by Adolf Hitler, 1941 - Rare Historical Photos
These images are chilling, bordering on surreal: as World War II raged on December 18, 1941, Adolf Hitler presided over a Christmas party in Munich.
rarehistoricalphotos.com
First, these are "journalists". You'll get more reliable, and certainly more ethical, information from a Magic 8 Ball. These same nitwits did articles and interviews on that DDR army shitepaper with fake Nazi labels as the real thing. Those were conclusively flat blasted by Micro Jo. He did one on the ornaments too. The "news" piece was likely some dealer codhead peddling East Euro humper ornaments. I'll say this about them, the quality is so poor, i.e., they look like a Salvador Dali rendering of such ornaments, or how a well executed one would be visualized by a person on hallucinagenic drugs, that the rationale that they were not Nazi party kitsch knockoffs by, say, the Poles or Lithuanians, now has legs. However, I think that such poor execution would get you a 7.65 to the back of the coconut for intellectual property crimes against the Reich.
tjg79
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Assuming some are period legit, and most are post-war fakes, and the legit ornaments are better quality than the fakes, I'd say M45's ornaments appear to be better quality than the others. Also, I haven't seen other photos of M45's pattern. A quantity of different photos of the same pattern, in mint factory type packaging, suggests post-war fakes to me.
In one small German town mouth-blown glass figures using traditional moulds from 80 years ago [about 1929] are a specialty.
Traditional glass decorations made in Germany
In one small German town mouth-blown glass figures using traditional moulds from 80 years ago [about 1929] are a specialty.
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