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What do you consider 90% matching.

fireman

fireman

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This one has me scratching my head. There is a rifle for sale that has a mismatched stock, completely un-marked and a couple bolt pieces mismatched. It is listed as 90% matching. For me a matching and un-dicked with stock is key. A rifle with a stock that is mismatched is a whole lot less than 90%. A couple of parts not matching? To me that is a complete mismatch.

Am I alone in that thought? Am I too picky?
 
fireman said:
This one has me scratching my head. There is a rifle for sale that has a mismatched stock, completely un-marked and a couple bolt pieces mismatched. It is listed as 90% matching. For me a matching and un-dicked with stock is key. A rifle with a stock that is mismatched is a whole lot less than 90%. A couple of parts not matching? To me that is a complete mismatch.

Am I alone in that thought? Am I too picky?
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Using that description on the rifle in question is 100% marketing, likely to trick someone who isn't knowledgeable or new collectors. It's the same with people who list as "All matching except...".

As for what would constitute 90% matching, IMO, safety or floor plate/magazine follower. Maybe a band, but I consider the band to be an important part of the stock assembly.
 
ltong29 said:
Using that description on the rifle in question is 100% marketing, likely to trick someone who isn't knowledgeable or new collectors. It's the same with people who list as "All matching except...".

As for what would constitute 90% matching, IMO, safety or floor plate/magazine follower. Maybe a band, but I consider the band to be an important part of the stock assembly.
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Totally agree on both points. I don't even really believe an otherwise 100% matching gun that has lost it's duffle cut front end and had it replaced makes 90% although that might be close in my mind. Anything beyond that or those minor parts you listed is not 90% for me anyway.
 
It's either matching or its not. Just have to be honest in the description. All parts except ____ match. Its up to each buyer what they feel is a level of acceptable mismatch. I agree a rifle with a mismatch stock definitely is worse of than say a 1 band or a bolt part. I enjoy rescuing sporters and I know they will never be all matching since primarily the stock is a replacement.

And for transparency, I only own 1 all matching rifle, my dual manufactured k43 and even with that someone applied a light coating of something on the stock but thankfully not sanded.
 
Damn, had I know you guys were going to throw a fit about my choice of words “90%” I would have added that it is; 90% of the sum total of numbered parts.

Not everything is a scam. I took PLENTY of photos. Have a problem? Message me, comment on the thread. But to open another thread and whine about my choice of words.

I agree that 90% match in layman’s terms would be a few small metal parts that don’t match. I’ll go change the wording in my listing as somehow I think you guys think I’m trying to play a trick or scam?
 
Beef said:
Damn, had I know you guys were going to throw a fit about my choice of words
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It's simple.... a mismatched stock does not get 90%.... doesn't matter what your name is.
Beef said:
I think you guys think I’m trying to play a trick or scam?
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I don't know you and certainly don't think it's a 'scam' however it may be misworded/misleading.
 
heavy_mech said:
It's simple.... a mismatched stock does not get 90%.... doesn't matter what your name is.

I don't know you and certainly don't think it's a 'scam' however it may be misworded/misleading.
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I changed the wording of the listing. Maybe it’s more acceptable to you.
 
ltong29 said:
Using that description on the rifle in question is 100% marketing, likely to trick someone who isn't knowledgeable or new collectors. It's the same with people who list as "All matching except...".

As for what would constitute 90% matching, IMO, safety or floor plate/magazine follower. Maybe a band, but I consider the band to be an important part of the stock assembly.
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It was not to trick or market to unlnowledgeable people. Don’t assume something when you aren’t sure. It may have been a poor choice of words on my end. I was trying to explain the sum total of numbered parts on the gun is about 90% matching. Which is true.
 
There are people who will use such misleading wording to try to swindle the uninitiated. But, that usually also reflects in some ludicrous pricing. Your asking price is not ludicrous at all, more so pretty fair in my opinion, if anything for the sum of the rifle’s parts. Consider that RC’s are selling for such prices as $1000 now, the rifle you’ve posted is worth the price. Not a scam sale, I think people want sellers to improve their wording. I’d just lay it out as it is and that’ll always keep you on the right track.

Just as a side note Beef, I messaged you about the BNZ 45 deal because I liked your ar 41 enough to do so, it’s a sweet shootable and correct configuration early rifle.
 
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Beef said:
I changed the wording of the listing. Maybe it’s more acceptable to you.
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Again... It's not what's 'acceptable' to me. There are standards for what is and ISN'T. You can list anything in any manner you wish. Having others believe it is a different stoy. We see this daily on the auction sites. As others have said you can see auction headlines with the proclamation "ALL MATCHING" and when you look at the photos or the fine print there's a lot of mis-matched parts. That's a lie in my world. Maybe you live in a different version of reality? Again I don't know you and am not trying to rat-phuck you or your sale just stating facts as I (and many others) see them.
 
i would imagine everyone here would want to improve the culture here. Instead of any of you messaging me or even commenting about my choice of words. You start a thread to assume I’m trying to market to unlnowlegeable and new collectors.
 
A stock is 50% of the value of a rifle, so 50% of the “matching” aspect of a 98k.

Beef, 98k collectors are very protective of the hobby, meaning every aspect of the hobby. I agree with stating threads like this and asking these questions of sellers. To protect this hobby’s reputation is to extend it for future generations of collectors. You are benefitting from this protection in having a robust market to sell to. Don’t take it so personal, it ain’t all about you.
 
I'm not a big fan of describing matchiness in terms of % anyway. Too subjective, unless 100%.

When I list something, it's a lot easier to just accurately describe the mismatched components and over-disclose on flaws I see. If I miss something I make it right. I've sold a fair amount of rifles over the years on this platform and I don't think anyone's ever accused me playing fast and loose with my descriptions. Remember, this site is for collector-to-collector sales-- the bar for transparency needs to be high.

There were comments on the other thread mockingly saying "muh reputation", but in this hobby, it is something that matters. Once you get a whiff of something stinky from someone, it's sure hard to stop smelling it.

Just my 2¢
 
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chrisftk said:
I'm not a big fan of describing matchiness in terms of % anyway. Too subjective, unless 100%.

When I list something, it's a lot easier to just accurately describe the mismatched components and over-disclose on flaws I see. If I miss something I make it right. I've sold a fair amount of rifles over the years on this platform and I don't think anyone's ever accused me playing fast and loose with my descriptions. Remember, this site is for collector-to-collector sales-- the bar for transparency needs to be high.

There were comments on the other thread mockingly saying "muh reputation", but in this hobby, it is something that matters. Once you get a whiff of something stinky from someone, it's sure hard to stop smelling it.

Just my 2¢
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I did accurately describe it, each part that didn’t match.
 
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