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New Collector looking to buy nazi production Mauser

b98

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I spent many hours looking for a rifle to buy however everywhere I look it's to good to be true or way overpriced. I find myself spending hours on YouTube and forums deciding if royal tiger imports is a good option & I just can't find myself gambling with them especially with customer service on simple questions being terrible. Gunbroker is a joke. to many fakes to trust just anyone.
im stuck in a rabbit hole.
Can someone here help me find something worth spending the time & money.
I would like to find a nazi production rifle, shootable, not cracked, decent bluing.
I do research & then research that research before I make a purchase decision so no wasting time with scams please
 
When you say new collector, are you totally new to collecting milsurp stuff? If so you're starting pretty high! German wartime production K98s are expensive. But there no reason not to start with that if that's what you want.

The fact is that buying from places like RTI is going to come with risk. There are sellers with great reputations, some might even allow you to return stuff - but they will be charging top $$. There's always a trade off here. If you have to have one now, there are plenty of options - but you'll either be rolling the dice on GB/some dodgy retailer, or you'll be paying more. You can find a great relatively low-risk deal, but then you have to watch and wait, and be ready to snap it up when it comes. If you have to have the best, right now, with no risk, and no overpaying, I don't think that's realistic.

My recommendation is: keep doing your research, and watch and wait on local ads forums, collector forums etc. for a great deal from a seller with good local rep, and when the right deal shows up, don't haggle too much - pounce!
 
You will be better off looking for a Russian Capture K98k or an honest bolt mismatch K98k for a shooter. Gunbroker is only overpriced as there is such a large audience that there is bound to be someone with more money to blow than you can fathom there. Start by looking to see what's available in your local area first, chances are a Russian Capture K98k is lurking somewhere as a bunch were imported during the '90s-2000s. Expect to pay anywhere from $600-$900 for a decent Russian capture, the era of cheap K98ks has long since passed. Fakes start appearing when you get into matching rifles, most fakers won't even touch a RC K98k as there's too much work to make it match itself.
 
Put a wtb on our forum trader. Probably be the best bet. You will get the real deal with no BS and at a fair price. Be patient.
I did this exact thing. Post and be patient is the way to go. I was in the same dilemma. I didn’t want to gamble with RTI either or haggle with FUDs on a RC K98k.
 
Depending on what you are looking for. I have a matching ‘43 BNZ I’ll probably be selling if interested. Of course matching is expensive. It’s a textbook one though. Feel free to PM if interested.
 
Post a WTB in the trader section of this forum. I did exactly that and got an awesome rifle, pretty much exactly what I was looking for. Just describe what you are interested in and wait patiently.
 
Great advice from all above, if I may add make the investment and purchase the K98K book listed on the top of this page. Knowledge is power and can save you big money and make you money on your purchase. Another bit of advice is to get out to your local gun shows, not necessarily to buy a k98 but to get as many examples in your hands as possible to physically examine. Once you know the basics of what to look for after handling 15 to 20 rifles you will be amazed on how quickly you will be able to spot a turd rifle or a potential gem. Also study the pictures of known correct examples listed on this site. Good luck and enjoy the hunt!
 
You will be better off looking for a Russian Capture K98k or an honest bolt mismatch K98k for a shooter. Gunbroker is only overpriced as there is such a large audience that there is bound to be someone with more money to blow than you can fathom there. Start by looking to see what's available in your local area first, chances are a Russian Capture K98k is lurking somewhere as a bunch were imported during the '90s-2000s. Expect to pay anywhere from $600-$900 for a decent Russian capture, the era of cheap K98ks has long since passed. Fakes start appearing when you get into matching rifles, most fakers won't even touch a RC K98k as there's too much work to make it match itself.

Seconding this. Frankly the place to begin with is a good, honest rifle that's priced appropriately. An honeset RC might scratch that K98k itch and you'll be fine, or it might be a gateway to more colleting, but come what may you're getting it done for ~$500-600 and the rifle will hold its value if you decide to unload it in the future. Meanwhile if you gamble on what you think is an all matching, collector's grade gun for $2k and it turns out it was renumbered, you're fucked and out a lot of money.
 
Great advice from all above, if I may add make the investment and purchase the K98K book listed on the top of this page. Knowledge is power and can save you big money and make you money on your purchase. Another bit of advice is to get out to your local gun shows, not necessarily to buy a k98 but to get as many examples in your hands as possible to physically examine. Once you know the basics of what to look for after handling 15 to 20 rifles you will be amazed on how quickly you will be able to spot a turd rifle or a potential gem. Also study the pictures of known correct examples listed on this site. Good luck and enjoy the hunt!

This is true, and I'll be the first to point people who want to learn more about these guns to these books, but there's a pretty big caveat here:

Books aren't cheap. Volume 2 of the K98k books costs about ~$150 after shipping (in the US), and if you want to get the other two volumes you're looking at the secondary market which tends to be more expensive. It's not an exaggeration to say you could easily end up dropping $500 on the full set. That's roughly on the lower end of the cost of an RC. Glancing at my shelves I'm sure I've got over $1000 sunk into books on Mauser rifles alone, and that's ignoring things like the G/K43 books or the M1 Carbine books or any of the other random stuff I've accumulated over the years.

I recommend that people get an honest, inexpensive, beginner rifle before they dive deep into the books. If nothing else it gives you something to take apart and have in front of you while you're reading, and they make excellent study pieces.

Plus, the books are references, but they won't make you immune to getting taken by a ground and renumbered SN. There is a lot that goes into developing that skill, and even advanced collectors can have disagreements about it. Well, sometimes, some fakes are just really obvious. I've been squinting at German serial numbers for almost two decades now and frankly I feel like I only just have the beginnings of a grasp on spotting the more careful hump jobs. The way to build up that skill isn't necessarily to have the books, it's to look at hundreds, thousands of pictures of parts - both good and bad - and get a feel for what they look like.

All of that is knowledge that takes a very long time to develop, which, again, is why I always encourage people who are just getting into these guns to start with an honest, less collectable gun that they can have fun with and enjoy while they spend the time to teach themselves what they'll need to know to get into the more advanced items.

edit: and don't take this as me saying people shouldn't buy the books. They should, they're great, I own them and use them a lot. But to me at least it seems better to tell a new collector to buy a $500-800 rifle that you don't need a ton of experience to intelligently purchase rather than $500+ in books in order to dive into the deep end on $1500+ rifles where their inexperience might still end up with them buying a turd.
 

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