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    Hey All,

    I was happy to snag the Amberg last month, but this one was really a cool buy. While it was a grey blanket auction, the price didn't get too outlandish considering the rarity of this piece.

    I don't think they ever got out of the no-suffix block any of the 3 years these were produced. I had read 8-9k produced, but I think that figure has got to be low.

    This 1909 Spandau 98a is salty, but a nice representative piece.

    The pros:
    -Stock, triggerguard, bands, bayo lug, hook, nosecap, sights, ejector and screws match
    -The floorplate and barrel are a depot (Cologne) replacement, as is the handguard.
    -Crisp stock
    -I found a Spandau 98a bolt with a close-ish SN in my parts box
    -It's unit marked to an artillery munitions column of the 19th army corps
    -It's a Spandau 98a

    The cons-
    - Bolt, Handguard and barrel are MM
    - Bubba put sling smivels on the bottom (one obliterated keep acceptance)- while the holes were filled, I'm going to be re-doing the job to make the two holes less apparent.


    The data:

    Receiver 2005
    Barrel: 4082 BJ 111 (replaced)
    Front Sight 05
    Rear Sight Leaf 05
    Sight Slider 05
    Ejector Box 05
    Trigger Sear 05
    Front Barrel Band 05
    Rear Barrel Band 05
    Trigger Guard 2005
    Trigger Guard Screws 05, 05
    Floor Plate 05 (force matched)
    Follower Armorer
    Stock 2005
    Handguard : 4097 (m/m)
    Buttplate 2005
    Bayonet Lug 05
    Stacking Hook 05
    Bolt Body 2573
    Extractor 73
    Safety 73
    Cocking Piece 73
    Bolt Sleeve 73
    Firing Pin 73

    While the bolt is m/m it's about as good of an example as i could have hoped for unless i got struck by lightning and found one matching.

    Thanks for looking
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    Very nice carbine Chris and quite rare is an understatement for that one. You hardy ever find a Spandau 98a for sale! And with these you can't be too picky either lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior1354 View Post
    Very nice carbine Chris and quite rare is an understatement for that one. You hardy ever find a Spandau 98a for sale! And with these you can't be too picky either lol!
    Thanks Jordan! These guys are in the Navy Gew Tier. -- was happy to even score a mismatch bolt one.

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    Great pick-up, any Spandau is a great score really... easily the hardest to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loewe View Post
    Great pick-up, any Spandau is a great score really... easily the hardest to find.
    You would absolutely know Paul you were huge collector of these carbines back in the day from what you told me. I'll be honest I wish I could have bought that 1914/15 kar98a off you years ago before you traded it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loewe View Post
    Great pick-up, any Spandau is a great score really... easily the hardest to find.
    Thanks Paul-- this was one I wasn't holding my breath on finding, but glad it popped up. I was even happier I had a correct bolt on hand (if you recall it seems to be a trend with me on these rare bolt mm-- vindicates my eBay and other trolling for parts haha)

    Have we nailed down a turner estimate of production by Spandau? I know some older studies suggested 8-9k from 1908-10 but I would think that had to be low.

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    J, Yes, I had a rather rash love affair with the 98a for awhile, never got a Spandau, though a good variety of the rest, including a wonderful Amberg/09. Like most collectors you go through phases, especially as you broaden your reading and research.

    C, Spandau is not only the most elusive, it is also full of diversity, - though fairly narrow unit marking trends, yours is an outlier unit marking wise, 9 out of the 15 recorded with unit markings are cavalry related, one is telegraph and another artillery. Though this a little distorted when you consider all 1910's seem to have been finished by Erfurt (not many but one up to the b-block which had for sometime given a false impression of much higher production...); further there is at least one Spandau/14 Kar.98 which also has been finished by Erfurt. Not sure how to explain that but it is confirmed with pictures.

    Anyway, 12 1908's are recorded (9700 range), 17 1909's (11,000 range - early a-blocks), at least 4 1910's, all that can be confirmed appear to be Erfurt finished. Then the Spandau/14, inexplicable, but exists (attached a couple pictures)

    *** It should be made clear that of the arsenals that made the Kar.98a, only Spandau continued in meaningful (but lower rate) production of the Gewehr98. All other arsenals stopped or seriously curtailed G98 production, this probably accounts for the low production by Spandau of both variations during these years (1908-1909, but during 1910 Spandau was little burdened and made the c-block in G98 production, by far the highest, - 1910 & 1911 are the rarest G98 years, only Spandau & WMO are known to have made G98's...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loewe View Post

    C, Spandau is not only the most elusive, it is also full of diversity, - though fairly narrow unit marking trends, yours is an outlier unit marking wise, 9 out of the 15 recorded with unit markings are cavalry related, one is telegraph and another artillery. Though this a little distorted when you consider all 1910's seem to have been finished by Erfurt (not many but one up to the b-block which had for sometime given a false impression of much higher production...); further there is at least one Spandau/14 Kar.98 which also has been finished by Erfurt. Not sure how to explain that but it is confirmed with pictures.

    Anyway, 12 1908's are recorded (9700 range), 17 1909's (11,000 range - early a-blocks), at least 4 1910's, all that can be confirmed appear to be Erfurt finished. Then the Spandau/14, inexplicable, but exists (attached a couple pictures)
    Thanks Paul-- more Spandaus out there than I thought, though that was maybe the 4th or 5th I've seen for sale. A Weimar rework (sadly burned in a fire and no stock-- did you see that one at least for receiver trending?) sold around the same time as mine. Prior to that there were a couple on gunbroker 7-8 years ago.


    That 1914 is wild. It makes me wonder if sone undated Spandau receivers left over from trials or something were laying around and mixed into Erfurt production in 1914 when they were clamoring for any rifle they could find.



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    Beautiful! Seeing Spandau on a small ring 98 is definitely not something Iím used to seeing congrats!!
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