1940 JP Sauer 147 f block

[Rutche]

Hello all,

Firstly, wanted to mention it was a pain to even receive this rifle, had to go through bank claims after payment.
This one was questioned a few weeks ago on the forum, after its auction was posted.
It was relisted since then, and I ended up purchasing it for a significantly cheaper price.
Even with the books in hand and comparing, it looked right from pictures to my untrained eye, but seeing in person is always different


Some concerns that i am facing:
1. Pretty damn early for a cupped buttplate laminate.
2. The receiver looks a little shiny not sure if original
3. No waffenamts on the rear-sight except for on the adjuster. (serial number font different...)
4. Possible Cold Bluing?? never seen it in person so not very sure.

I'm happy to hear everyone's thoughts on this one.. no matter the outcome I am here for the honesty.
Enough blabbering. Here are the photos a little easier to put into a shared volume.

JP Sauer 1940 K98

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[Rutche]

Regarding the stock laminate blank code: NA 3 37 40
In looking at the book, and trending the rifle, If i can math correctly would make this stock laminate blank at September 11th 1940. Pretty late for an F block in looking at the trends, but it seems to be matching.
Not sure how a cupped plate would have ended up on a '40 made stock like this unless it was from a depot, or I need to keep hitting the books.

On Volume IIB Page 810, comparing the Spandau depot marking of 1 on the triggerguard to the 1 marking on mine to the bottom of the receiver looks similar here, maybe Spandau had a hand in the 98k I posted here?

 

[Bob in OHIO]

First impression I had was the rear band seemed bad. Milled bands should have a slight diamond shape on either side of the sling loop. Seems like a classic renumber there. Also, different “3” font on the two bands seems odd. Remember, it’s a misconception all numbered fonts are the same on one rifle, but I’d expect band fonts to be the same... hmmm.

Numbers in the stock channel and stock’s keel seem “okay”, but would want to see better pics of the butt plate & bayo lug serials. Check reference pics to see if Sauer’s alpha on the butt is italics?? Not a fan of the hand guard.... why the dark numbers??

Globally, a Flat butt in ‘40 is possible but pretty scarce. Look at the pic references to see what’s there. What is the year date on the barrel? (I had an ax 40 with a flat & sight hood with a ‘41 barrel).

 

[Rutche]

First impression I had was the rear band seemed bad. Milled bands should have a slight diamond shape on either side of the sling loop. Seems like a classic renumber there. Also, different “3” font on the two bands seems odd. Remember, it’s a misconception all numbered fonts are the same on one rifle, but I’d expect band fonts to be the same... hmmm.

Numbers in the stock channel and stock’s keel seem “okay”, but would want to see better pics of the butt plate & bayo lug serials. Check reference pics to see if Sauer’s alpha on the butt is italics?? Not a fan of the hand guard.... why the dark numbers??

Globally, a Flat butt in ‘40 is possible but pretty scarce. Look at the pic references to see what’s there. What is the year date on the barrel? (I had an ax 40 with a flat & sight hood with a ‘41 barrel).

I absolutely thought the same when I saw the handguard numbers when i saw it I kind of sighed a bit. The 3 on both barrel bands looks similar to me but i can see what you mean it looks like it was punched significantly deeper. I will attach to this post the pictures you requested
It looks like the barrel is 1940 atleast from the barrel code ( "Haenel S" 40 D 49 e/37 e/37 e/37) if i did that correct

 

[Bob in OHIO]

Any more thoughts from the membership? Stock appears "right" to me, just the cupped BP apparently is inconsistent for the year, etc...

 

[heavy_mech]

I kind of thought the numbers on the butt plate looked 'messed with' somehow but the lug looks fine. Both e/37 too.

 

[mauser99]

lower band the numbers are engraved not stamped. They did a decent job and if the numbers were filled in with paint you'd probably miss it . I had this happen on a bolt to me many years ago.

The rest looked ok.. But i didn't get much more further than the lower band.

 

[Rutche]

lower band the numbers are engraved not stamped. They did a decent job and if the numbers were filled in with paint you'd probably miss it . I had this happen on a bolt to me many years ago.

The rest looked ok.. But i didn't get much more further than the lower band.

Interesting on the rear band strange that it would be humped like that, atleast if the stock and front band are alright would be weird to have a wrong rear band unless it was lost, and someone later decided to just put one on and engrave it

 

[RavenOps]

1. Some of the numbers appear to be rather shallow for no obvious signs of wear for the surrounding area.

2. Some areas give an appearance of cold bluing, coloring and streaks as seen on the floorplate.

 

[Rutche]

lower band the numbers are engraved not stamped. They did a decent job and if the numbers were filled in with paint you'd probably miss it . I had this happen on a bolt to me many years ago.

The rest looked ok.. But i didn't get much more further than the lower band.

Are engravings like this free handed, that would be quite impressive.
I added closeups of the rear band numbers just out of interest.


To my eyes, it looks like the 3 is 'pushing' on the 6 a little bit