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8x VZ-24 Snipers w/ IOR Scopes Just Sold

thrawnformbi

Junior Member
Astounded these went for so little considering their rarity in the states. I feel like plenty of folks would pay that for an IOR scope on its own let alone matching kits with leather scope cases. Did anyone grab one?

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alund

Bourbon Boy
one person got most of them... clearly trying to corner the market... I am sure we will see these again for sale at an inflated price, keep a tab on them except for 70 and 75. you won't see those for sale. That is the most number of IOR scopes that I have seen ever in one place, almost as if the planets aligned.. BTW, who puts an auction on for tuesday morning. I would suspect Rock Island would have doubled all these prices on a saturday or sunday.
 

thrawnformbi

Junior Member
one person got most of them... clearly trying to corner the market... I am sure we will see these again for sale at an inflated price, keep a tab on them except for 70 and 75. you won't see those for sale. That is the most number of IOR scopes that I have seen ever in one place, almost as if the planets aligned.. BTW, who puts an auction on for tuesday morning. I would suspect Rock Island would have doubled all these prices on a saturday or sunday.
I spoke with the guys at GSI Inc (Guns South Inc.) as their import marks were on the barrels. Nobody there had any idea when these were brought in - even the old timers with 20-30 years at the import desk. Apparently they share a building with Anschutz North America doing all of their importation so maybe there's some connection there. But yea, who knows where Centurion found all of these. I'm thinking one guy had them tucked away in the closet for decades.
 

Wolfsburg

Senior Member
I wonder if there are any loose scopes to be had? I could use an IOR scope but they've always be unobtainium as far as I'm concerned...
 

Absolut

Senior Member
To me it appeared as if the importer of the Vz.24 sniper rifles put the few he had in complete with scopes aside/sold them in a bulk to whoever bought them and put them aside. They were poorly described and the above listed prices are way to cheap for what they are, even for Europe where they are far much more common than in the US. I'm sure we'll see them reappear on the market.
 

thrawnformbi

Junior Member
I just came across these documents on a Romanian militaria site and thought they might be of interest. I'm having them translated now (only $20!) so they will hopefully be even more enlightening. Have you all seen these? Reference to the dispensing of "ZB sniper rifles" including one document that is clearly marked May of 1944. Might shed some light on the "post-war" only debate.
 

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Absolut

Senior Member
Yes, they were posted some time ago. I think even on this forum here. Google translator gives you a rough idea on the content as well.
 

rob ski

Forum Newbie
This was an absolute steal. Even the most "expensive" one. Congratulations to the lucky ones who managed to snatch those rifles. I guess miracles do happen from time to time...ha!
 

thrawnformbi

Junior Member
In case anyone is interested here are the translated documents from above. Unsure of the reference to "Great Unity" but the Romanian woman who did the translation for me said this in response:

"Great Unity is the category formed of military bases. High unit is not the proper translation here. We must take into account the context as well. Here since it is about military stuff, "high unit" is not okay. And not the Unity is high, but the percentage of it. The Great Unity is a category of military units that support different operations. So, the percentage of it is high since there are a lot of tactical units (Divisions, Brigades and so on). That sentence is a concern from the person who wrote that brief. If you know more about it, you could come with an explanation as well."

If anyone can decipher that mumbo jumbo I'm all ears. Anyway, here you have em.
 

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rob ski

Forum Newbie
In case anyone is interested here are the translated documents from above. Unsure of the reference to "Great Unity" but the Romanian woman who did the translation for me said this in response:

"Great Unity is the category formed of military bases. High unit is not the proper translation here. We must take into account the context as well. Here since it is about military stuff, "high unit" is not okay. And not the Unity is high, but the percentage of it. The Great Unity is a category of military units that support different operations. So, the percentage of it is high since there are a lot of tactical units (Divisions, Brigades and so on). That sentence is a concern from the person who wrote that brief. If you know more about it, you could come with an explanation as well."

If anyone can decipher that mumbo jumbo I'm all ears. Anyway, here you have em.

Maybe report finds that percentage of undistributed sniper rifles is too high, meaning they were expecting larger than (only) 1810 rifles to be manufactured and distributed between the units at this point? Report is from May 1944, time was running out for pro German Romanian forces, since they "flipped" in August 1944...So they probably desperately needed more of those rifles at the time report was generated, especially because of the Soviets offensive directly impacting situation of the Romania ...just trying to make a sense of it all, by looking at the "larger" picture here.
 

Wolfsburg

Senior Member
I’ve said this over the past 10 years…. Finding these scopes are absolutely impossible.

I realize that though I wondered if any loose ones came in whenever these scoped rifles did. If these were old imports that someone has sat on for 20+ years, I imagine we would've seen some by now.
 

alund

Bourbon Boy
I realize that though I wondered if any loose ones came in whenever these scoped rifles did. If these were old imports that someone has sat on for 20+ years, I imagine we would've seen some by now.
Yeah, a seller would have slowly slipped them in over time... a collector would have shared info to a friend or two... a hoarder would never let them go. ie we would have heard about the scopes by now if they were 20 years stateside. Maybe someone took a trip to europe and had a buddy who was holding onto something in the back of his store that was forgotten about.. who knows.
 

hatrick

Senior Member
I was going to bid on these but it didn’t look like any of the bases were marked/numbered which made me a bit hesitant. The highly polished bolts and parts were also a bit odd. Definitely cool seeing all the IOR scopes but I wasn’t sure about the rifles and some of the numbering.
 

bruce98k

Super Over the Top Moderator -1/2
Staff member
All of these rifles were reworked so I would doubt if any of the bolts were original to the rig.
 

Wolfsburg

Senior Member
I would think the whole rig went for about as much as a scope alone is worth!
 
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Absolut

Senior Member
All of them were reworked. Mine feature polished bolts as well. Some even K98k bolts. I think this was part of the Romanian restoration.
 

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