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BAL9 Lugers

RyanE

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So I guess I am also a Luger collector now, but in my defense I only collect the weird stuff. Thanks to the forum member who arranged a very good deal for me on this one.

Luger collectors generally refer to these strange pistols as "Eagle 9" Lugers, through we should all know that little E/9 stamp is the acceptance of the Luftwaffe's Bauaufsicht 9. If you don't, go find my thread on the BAL. BAL acceptance is normally a new production marking, but the weird thing is that these are obviously commercially reworked. Some are reworks of older commercial pistols like mrfarb's pre-WWI commercial Luger (https://www.k98kforum.com/threads/luftwaffe-depot-repair-luger.39797/), and some are former WW1 era Army pistols like this one. Its a strange mix of seemingly random stuff.

This one was reworked from a 1917 DWM "Artillery" Luger. Received a new short barrel , rear sight, and sloppy fluting on the firing pin. but most of the rest of the parts appear original I think. Grips don't match but one of them seems to have the SN written in pencil. It is commercially proofed in the supposedly "Suhl" style.

Of course, some Luger folks try to claim these are “Krieghoff” reworks, because everything Luftwaffe must be Krieghoff, but they are obviously not. BAL2 was located in Suhl since at least late 1934 when the BAL was initially setup, so had Kreighoff reworked these, they would be accepted by BAL2 not BAL9. Exactly why these are accepted by BAL9, whose location is currently unknown, is a bit of a mystery. My own thinking is that these either purchased on the open market by the Luftwaffe (which was scrounging for pistols even as late as 1940) or perhaps farmed out for rework very early on (1934-35) before the LZA system was fully up and running. In either case, these are commercially reworked as there is no way the Luftwaffe would have been forced to use commercial proof houses like the SS, even early on. The work probably has to be early since the BAL acceptance used is the early style that was almost completely abandoned in late 1937.

Unless someone finds documentation or some way to trace BAL9's location, I think it will be very difficult to sort out exactly what was going on here.
 

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Very interesting Luger, thanks for sharing and explaining the true source of these.
 
That Luger looks even better with these pictures great photography Ryan. And very happy to see Gary was able to work a nice deal with you on this piece. And glad to have passed it along to you, happy to help a fellow forum member and a friend.
 
It’s official, you collect Lugers but you’re a Luger Insurgent, not a Luger collector.

Very cool early Luftwaffe Luger!
 
interesting example and like most of this stuff Im sure it wasnt the easiest to figure out. Most stuff like this was bottom of the barrel most elite collectors didnt want it.. focusing on Luger carbines and other rare variants. Now those things are barely salable along with the rest of collector grade odd balls where this stuff and common as dirt 4" military stuff is taking off.. Of note I saw no mention here but a serial turd flipper on GB elite collection was selling what appeared to be a legit luftampt depot rework.. Was curious what you thought ??
 
interesting example and like most of this stuff Im sure it wasnt the easiest to figure out. Most stuff like this was bottom of the barrel most elite collectors didnt want it.. focusing on Luger carbines and other rare variants. Now those things are barely salable along with the rest of collector grade odd balls where this stuff and common as dirt 4" military stuff is taking off.. Of note I saw no mention here but a serial turd flipper on GB elite collection was selling what appeared to be a legit luftampt depot rework.. Was curious what you thought ??
Only the really old guys have any interest in those goofy carbines. No one else is going to want them. I don't think the interwar police pistols are going to hold up well either.

As for the GB pistol, its a real one. An extensive repair by an unknown LZA. It probably had its barrel shot off and the threads on the receiver were damaged rendering it unsalvageable. Weird that the breech block and front toggle survived but the rear toggle was replaced. Someone probably had a bad day. No indications which LZA did the work, but it doesn't look like LZA Küpper. Fonts are too different. I'd guess LZA Erding, if only because of the HZaJt parts and the font looks vaguely similar to what was used by HZa Ingolstadt too. But who knows.
 
Thanks.. i happened to see it during a random search. Looked good to me despite the seller. Was curious if anyone else had seen it..
 

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