Bavarian Rebuild Erfurt/Spandau 08/12 9867c

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Hi Guys,

Here's an interesting one....Bruce helped me source it back in January. This rifle has led an eventful life; that's for sure. The receiver was originally an unused Erfurt 1908 that was assembled into a rifle in 1912 at Spandau. At some point, the rifle ended up in Bavarian hands (either prewar or during the war) and was rebuilt extensively at Ingolstadt or possibly Amberg. This appears to have been a near total rebuild. There is a new Bavarian barrel and salvaged Bavarian bolt fitted to the rifle. The stock is an old King Otto cypher stock (1912 or before). If you'll note on the bolt, the striker assembly is matching to the bolt body; this would further underscore a fairly extensive "ground-up" rebuild versus the typical bolt re-numbering protocol. The renumberings on the striker components look to be overstamps except for the cocking piece. All SNs either match, or are forced-matched except the rod and sight slider buttons (doubt they cared at this point on those).

This appears to have been a late war rebuild, as the acceptance on the barrel seems to match a Bavarian depot build that was assembled using a spare Amberg 1918 receiver.( @mauser1908 or @PrayingMantis ; I can't seem to put hands on photos of that one; do either of you have any?) There are assembly numbers on the barrel and receiver too ("3" in this case)

Interestingly, the disc was flipped on this one, so I carefully popped it out. To my surprise, there was a 3rd Reserve Foot Guards unit marking on the disc. Odd to find on a Bavarian depot stock, but my best guess would be that the disc was in a parts bin and installed face-down during the rebuild.

Receiver 9867c
Barrel 9867c (BI 46)
Front Sight 67
Rear Sight 67
Sight Slider 67
Ejector Box 67
Trigger Sear 67
Front Barrel Band 67
Rear Barrel Band 67
Trigger Guard 9867
Trigger Guard Screws 67,67
Floor Plate 67
Follower 67
Stock 9867 (X'ed and renumbered)
Handguard 9876
Buttplate 9867 c
Bayonet Lug 67
Cleaning Rod mm
Bolt Body 9867c (scrubbed/force matched)
Extractor 67
Safety 67 (overstamped)
Cocking Piece 67
Bolt Shroud 67 (overstamped)
Firing Pin 67 (overstamped)


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I always wonder what happened to the original gun these were built into. Storz has some pretty good pics of weapons that were really messed up in combat - barrels twisted into right angles by artillery, shattered stocks, holed magazines, etc - and it doesn't take much imagination to figure a pre-war gun getting a full rebuilt in 1918 probably had an exciting life before that.
 
Awesome rifle! It’s absolutely a ground up Bavarian build, note the “after market” assembly numbers that were applied, steamed and scraped stock number, etc. I think some facility outside of Ingolstadt was responsible for these. It’s hard to say when it was made, the problem I have with ordnance spares is that correlation isn’t causal, this appears to be an earlier pattern but who knows when the barrel was applied. Nor is it conclusive that the same inspection team were responsible. I actually have one that’s nearly identical built on a 1911 Spandau receiver; actually so similar it’s scary. The only real difference being a Bavarian ordnance spare stock instead of a salvage. I won’t high jack the thread but I can add the link if it’s Chris’ intent.
 
I always wonder what happened to the original gun these were built into. Storz has some pretty good pics of weapons that were really messed up in combat - barrels twisted into right angles by artillery, shattered stocks, holed magazines, etc - and it doesn't take much imagination to figure a pre-war gun getting a full rebuilt in 1918 probably had an exciting life before that.
Yeah, WW1, particularly in the West, was just a nasty affair. Deplorable conditions and artillery strikes did a number on these. I have a couple of rifles that have depot bolts in them with three different serial numbers. The Germans didn't waste anything!

Awesome rifle! It’s absolutely a ground up Bavarian build, note the “after market” assembly numbers that were applied, steamed and scraped stock number, etc. I think some facility outside of Ingolstadt was responsible for these. It’s hard to say when it was made, the problem I have with ordnance spares is that correlation isn’t causal, this appears to be an earlier pattern but who knows when the barrel was applied. Nor is it conclusive that the same inspection team were responsible. I actually have one that’s nearly identical built on a 1911 Spandau receiver; actually so similar it’s scary. The only real difference being a Bavarian ordnance spare stock instead of a salvage. I won’t high jack the thread but I can add the link if it’s Chris’ intent
Thanks Sam, this was a fun one to dissect. By all means, post the link to your rifle. I think it's helpful for comparison. If you can find the 1918 Amberg with similar traits that would also be helpful for potentially bracketing this one.

Thanks overall guys!
 
Absolutely love this rifle, rifles rode hard and rebuilt multiple times as needed are my weakness. Congrats on finding such a cool Gewehr 98 Chris! :)
 
That's a really neat and storied rifle, hard to imagine how much effort went into salvaging this receiver and rebuilding it into a complete rifle! Thanks for posting such detailed pics of it, reworked rifles have so much variety that makes every single rifle unique. The early Erfurt built by Spandau receiver is super cool, congrats on picking this one up!
 
Absolutely love this rifle, rifles rode hard and rebuilt multiple times as needed are my weakness. Congrats on finding such a cool Gewehr 98 Chris! :)
That's a really neat and storied rifle, hard to imagine how much effort went into salvaging this receiver and rebuilding it into a complete rifle! Thanks for posting such detailed pics of it, reworked rifles have so much variety that makes every single rifle unique. The early Erfurt built by Spandau receiver is super cool, congrats on picking this one up!
Thanks guys. The salvaging and rebuilding was probably a lot less work than you think. There were several pretty extensive rebuild operations during the war (Danzig, Hannover, etc..). It was simply a matter of taking the usable parts off a damaged rifle and putting them to good use.
 
Here is the Amberg 1918, featuring 6s that were stamped during the rebuild. The bolt is Prussian proofed, which threw me off, but looking at it now it is a typical Bavarian renumber (and as a salvaged part it wouldn’t have been reproofed anyway).
 

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Fascinating Gew, Chris, glad you got it and good to get it in the reference.

The 1918 Amberg bore similar assembly numbers but had Prussian proofing, this rebuild has more in common with Sam's 1911 Spandau and my 1912 Amberg. Could you check the bands, bayo lug, and triggerguard for 3s?
Thanks Cyrus-- I appreciate it.

My initial inspection didn't turn up any additional assembly numbers, but I will give it a further inspection and full disassembly this weekend.
 
That's what I love about German guns; you can trace their history if you know what to look for. My Gew98M served 4 governments: Imperial, Weimar, Nazi, and Spain.
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That's what I love about German guns; you can trace their history if you know what to look for. My Gew98M served 4 governments: Imperial, Weimar, Nazi, and Spain.
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Definitely a big part of the charm on some of these reworks. Loaded with history.
 
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