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Byf 43 l block high turret with bmj scope for review

indianadam

Member
Yes, a Borsigwalde stock probably with double e/26 stock discs? No date marking. No depot marking.
I would hope it was a ww2 replacement stock..
If it is a sporting stock replacement, i am a bit disapointed.. but i should enjoy that barrel/action is a good one even if reblued.
This rifle is difficult to analyse.
Thanks for everybody who helped me with it
Regards
Damien
 

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indianadam

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Hello,
To me and collectors who had it in hands, it is a nice rifle, and i like it. As i am the owner, that's what matters.
Regards,
Damien
 

Dave Roberts

Is that a scope you have in your pocket?
Staff member
Hello,
To me and collectors who had it in hands, it is a nice rifle, and i like it. As i am the owner, that's what matters.
Regards,
Damien
To each his own , if your happy with the rifle thats all that matters imho . I am positive there are those who have had Rifles in the past that other would not have in their collections . Not every collector can afford to pay thousands of $$$ for a completely original sniper rifle . I started out collecting this exact type sniper rifle and also building clones and over many years I was able to advance as a collector and built a nice collection of original sniper rifles . Not everyone can start at the top . In fact I suspect there are some here who have had sniper rifles in their collections that they would not admit to having today.
 

Warrior1354

ax - hole
To each his own , if your happy with the rifle thats all that matters imho . I am positive there are those who have had Rifles in the past that other would not have in their collections . Not every collector can afford to pay thousands of $$$ for a completely original sniper rifle . I started out collecting this exact type sniper rifle and also building clones and over many years I was able to advance as a collector and built a nice collection of original sniper rifles . Not everyone can start at the top . In fact I suspect there are some here who have had sniper rifles in their collections that they would not admit to having today.
Dave I 100% agree to this statement. When I bought my first K98k it was a Russian capture for $300 back in 2008 when I got out of high school. That was a lot of money to me then. At the time I dreamed to own a matching original rifle one day. But could not afford one at the time. Still I was very happy to have at least one K98k in my collection. I think we all dream to luck into a matching original sniper rifle for well under what their worth. Like a good friend of mine told me once very few rifles are truly rare. What is rare buying a $25,000 rifle for $2500 that's rare!

I'm happy to see how far I have progressed, and learned over these years. Granted, I have many wonderful rare rifles in my collection. But the friendships I have made to me, is what matters most. I still cherish the 98b rifle you sold me Dave. Yeah it's not a completely matching rifle, but I still love it!
 

Hercules

Senior Member
Maybe so. Honestly, who cares. The only thing that bothers me are those who call this original. It is not original. I sort wonder who sold this thing to this guy. Looks like a post war put together.
 

Dave Roberts

Is that a scope you have in your pocket?
Staff member
Why does it bother you so much Brian , so what someone has an apposing opinion people are entitled to have differing opinions regardless if their opinion is correct or not , with time their opinion may or may not change . Building a good knowledge base also takes time , mistakes are made along the way , people don't wakes up one day and suddenly their an expert , knowledge also takes time and mistakes are made along the way , a good collector will admit he made mistakes along the way as I suspect we all have done from time to time myself included . Making mistake is part of the process of becoming a knowledgeable collector imo it makes you a better collector so long as they can acknowledge at some point that they were mistaken . I know the complete rifle is not a 100% period original HT . I mentioned earlier and I still believe the barreled action and bases are period original
 

Hercules

Senior Member
To me the barreled action is a fourth Reich put together. The bases are original, but the rest is a POS in my opinion. That 135 is a post war stamping. The whole thing re-blued to cover up all the humping. Slow news day. Maybe you could shoot a deer with this. I wish there was something else better to discuss than this. Maybe post some of that post war Nazi toilet paper. Next topic please........
 
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Hercules

Senior Member
Why does it bother you so much Brian , so what someone has an apposing opinion people are entitled to have differing opinions regardless if their opinion is correct or not , with time their opinion may or may not change . Building a good knowledge base also takes time , mistakes are made along the way , people don't wakes up one day and suddenly their an expert , knowledge also takes time and mistakes are made along the way , a good collector will admit he made mistakes along the way as I suspect we all have done from time to time myself included . Making mistake is part of the process of becoming a knowledgeable collector imo it makes you a better collector so long as they can acknowledge at some point that they were mistaken . I know the complete rifle is not a 100% period original HT . I mentioned earlier and I still believe the barreled action and bases are period original
I just don't see any merit to this Dave.
 

indianadam

Member
Hello Dave and Warrior,
Yes of course. I started collection 22 years ago. I began with limited knowleges and my first rifle was a yugo preduzece k98k, the only model i could pay when i was 18 years old..
Since this period, i limited my collection to ww1 and ww2, so i sold the yugo.
All my guns are in original finish and matching numbers exept this one.
I would have prefer to get one untoutched and matching, but i can't afford it and by now, never found one getting out local attic..
This is my only german sniper. It is not perfect but i like it and i think i am lucky to have one HT sniper, even if it is not the ultimate collector rifle.
Barrel bore is perfect and scope too.. it shoots very well.
Perhaps one day i will found a better one in an attic or into a small gunsmith office like for this one..
In France it is still possible because of the 2 world wars on our soil. Many of my guns were found in locals farms and houses.
Sometimes, rifles were victims of bad stockage, hunting modifications or restauration.. But fortunately not all.
Recently i have found two rifles untoutched and matching in nice condition: one dot43 k98k and one Luftwaffe depot build k98k.
So everthing is possible.
Regards,
Damien
 
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mdarnell19

Beavis Moderator Intern
Staff member
Maybe so. Honestly, who cares. The only thing that bothers me are those who call this original. It is not original. I sort wonder who sold this thing to this guy. Looks like a post war put together.

To me the barreled action is a fourth Reich put together. The bases are original, but the rest is a POS in my opinion. That 135 is a post war stamping. The whole thing re-blued to cover up all the humping. Slow news day. Maybe you could shoot a deer with this. I wish there was something else better to discuss than this. Maybe post some of that post war Nazi toilet paper. Next topic please........
Well at least you’re not bitter about it.
 

Absolut

Senior Member
Re-reading this thread there were opposing opinions on this rifle/it being original. I've so far not participated myself for having mixed feelings on it myself. At best it is an original sniper rifle that was messed with so much that I can understand someone questioning its authenticity. At worst it is a fake sniper rifle someone even messed with so much that most [advanced collectors] would not want to have it. In most cases the fact that it was messed with something most often points into messed with other aspects too - so a rifle this shiny is already a big minus, atop we have nearly polished off stamps that make authentication almost impossible. If I was asked personally - why is the serial so deeply struck, but the Eagle 135 worn off on top but stamped deep on bottom, plus having halo stamps in the back (is that a letter "g", so someone killing an "i" block rifle and change letter suffix)? Why is there no serial on top of the bolt handle? Why is the stamp on the rear base almost fully worn off?

If the OP is happy with it because he paid little and likes it anyway, then I'm happy for him. I guess if the price was right I would had bought it myself, at least it would make a shiny shooter one would not need to care upon this much.

To allow better assessment one would need pictures that are not either overall or very tiny cutout areas detail shots, plus not the rifle this thickly covered in oil/grease/whatever. I though do not think this would lead to a consensual conclusion in here. So it leaves us at the same point: some think it might once had been an original sniper rifle that was poorly reworked, some think it was assembled using some original parts. Therefore not the "collectors dream".
 

Hercules

Senior Member
Re-reading this thread there were opposing opinions on this rifle/it being original. I've so far not participated myself for having mixed feelings on it myself. At best it is an original sniper rifle that was messed with so much that I can understand someone questioning its authenticity. At worst it is a fake sniper rifle someone even messed with so much that most [advanced collectors] would not want to have it. In most cases the fact that it was messed with something most often points into messed with other aspects too - so a rifle this shiny is already a big minus, atop we have nearly polished off stamps that make authentication almost impossible. If I was asked personally - why is the serial so deeply struck, but the Eagle 135 worn off on top but stamped deep on bottom, plus having halo stamps in the back (is that a letter "g", so someone killing an "i" block rifle and change letter suffix)? Why is there no serial on top of the bolt handle? Why is the stamp on the rear base almost fully worn off?

If the OP is happy with it because he paid little and likes it anyway, then I'm happy for him. I guess if the price was right I would had bought it myself, at least it would make a shiny shooter one would not need to care upon this much.

To allow better assessment one would need pictures that are not either overall or very tiny cutout areas detail shots, plus not the rifle this thickly covered in oil/grease/whatever. I though do not think this would lead to a consensual conclusion in here. So it leaves us at the same point: some think it might once had been an original sniper rifle that was poorly reworked, some think it was assembled using some original parts. Therefore not the "collectors dream".
Yes. I think the barreled receiver is assembled post war. The 135 proof and tang proof look fake. Not to mention the whole thing is re-blued to cover up all the humping. These photos here.

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indianadam

Member
Re-reading this thread there were opposing opinions on this rifle/it being original. I've so far not participated myself for having mixed feelings on it myself. At best it is an original sniper rifle that was messed with so much that I can understand someone questioning its authenticity. At worst it is a fake sniper rifle someone even messed with so much that most [advanced collectors] would not want to have it. In most cases the fact that it was messed with something most often points into messed with other aspects too - so a rifle this shiny is already a big minus, atop we have nearly polished off stamps that make authentication almost impossible. If I was asked personally - why is the serial so deeply struck, but the Eagle 135 worn off on top but stamped deep on bottom, plus having halo stamps in the back (is that a letter "g", so someone killing an "i" block rifle and change letter suffix)? Why is there no serial on top of the bolt handle? Why is the stamp on the rear base almost fully worn off?

If the OP is happy with it because he paid little and likes it anyway, then I'm happy for him. I guess if the price was right I would had bought it myself, at least it would make a shiny shooter one would not need to care upon this much.

To allow better assessment one would need pictures that are not either overall or very tiny cutout areas detail shots, plus not the rifle this thickly covered in oil/grease/whatever. I though do not think this would lead to a consensual conclusion in here. So it leaves us at the same point: some think it might once had been an original sniper rifle that was poorly reworked, some think it was assembled using some original parts. Therefore not the "collectors dream".
Hello Absolut,
I made some new pictures after having removed the grease with acetone.
I don't know exactly what you want, tell me if ok with this pics? I could take another tomorrow with sun light if you want.
Regards,
Damien
 

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Absolut

Senior Member
Thanks for the additional pictures and for doing the work to degrease it. Based on those I somewhat can't imagine the top portion of the 135 stamp (the eagle) being polished off, because the letters left and right are still struck deeply and more important, equally deep. There though seems to be a bit of the Eagle Tail visible above the 135. So whoever stamped it, he did not stamp properly.
 

indianadam

Member
Yes. It seems that the power of the hit went to the down as the down of 135 numbers is more deep than the high of numbers
 

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