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mrfarb

No War Eagles For You!
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Well, I'm torn. I generally like Ian's videos. A Youtube video is not meant to be held to the standard of a reference book, but like a reference book it "last forever" once you publish it, and bad info is thereby released forever. 40 years from now someone will find their exact Krieghoff Luger they found at a yard sale on video and it will convince them its real.

As to books that don't cite sources, or aren't footnoted properly, its a tough thing - gun books aren't really academic papers imo. Generally you write a book to be both useful factually, but also entertaining. What we tried to do was start from scratch on our books and dismiss older works from the start - we used original documents as sources, many of which we just reproduced in the book as evidence and if an older book lined up with our findings we included notes to point that out. Much of 98k source info is collector observation as well - serial studies, data sheets, etc. What Bruce and I did was actually listen to collectors around the world who have collected and discussed this stuff for years. Many authors I have met are very narcissistic and not open (generally) to input from people they consider beneath their level of study on a subject - maybe thats what makes someone heady enough to write a book. This is where you get those weird theories that turn into "collector fact" later, from those old books. Bruce and I are each half narcissistic I guess, but together we were narcissistic/dumb enough to do the series. Really though, we tried not to present "theories" in the books either, but if we did we clearly labeled them as such instead of presenting them as facts. A few will bear out in the future as correct as the next generation of collectors writes books and improves on what we did - some will be reworked as almost right. So far none have been completely wrong..... so far. But I'm open to being wrong, halfway.
 

Cyrano4747

Well-known member
As to books that don't cite sources, or aren't footnoted properly, its a tough thing - gun books aren't really academic papers imo. Generally you write a book to be both useful factually, but also entertaining. What we tried to do was start from scratch on our books and dismiss older works from the start - we used original documents as sources, many of which we just reproduced in the book as evidence and if an older book lined up with our findings we included notes to point that out. Much of 98k source info is collector observation as well - serial studies, data sheets, etc.

For me, footnotes are important for being able to trace back where someone is getting their information. For the K98k books (which I have - they're excellent, thank you both for putting them together) you're doing that with the documents and the observational studies.

It's when there isn't a clear idea of where the information came from that things get bad.
 

Wilhelm

Senior Member
It's weird that they don't do proper footnotes and honestly it pisses me off. Anyone getting a BA in History will know that any fact you draw from a source needs a citation and the best sources are primary sources. You can use secondary sources after proper vetting but primary is usually best. I think that's why you are seeing people regurgitate incorrect info. I've found a lot of collectors books for guns to be on the casual side, I'm curious if this is similar in other hobbies. There are obviously exceptions and there have been some well written and researched books such as the K98k series and I find anything written by Bruce Canfield to be excellent.
100% agree. Having a History degree, I read every Historical book, whether it be about Lewis and Clark or French rifles, with a critical eye. Unfortunately, FAR too many people believe all kinds of goofy things simply because, "it's written in the (insert title here) book." Detractors of my SVW45 P38 are proof of this ingrained stupidity. Lots of supposed "experts" won't acknowledge that well respected books are not THE final word on ANY Historic topic and any author worth his salt will acknowledge that ALL of the facts are never in; there is always something new to learn; some as yet undiscovered artifact or fact. Bruce and Steve are examples of such exemplary authors.
 

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