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Heer M36 Medical Uniform/ Heer M43 Officer Cap

mike44f

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Well got a phone call in response to a wanted ad I had out for WWII items. Could not believe what this guy had. His father was in Europe (still working with the man to try and figure out his fathers actual unit as he didn't know anything other than he was in the 3rd Army). Seems his father had a keen eye back then and brought this entire uniform grouping back. Sadly the Visor is missing the eagle and chinstrap, but the M36 Tunic and the pants that came with it are near mint aside from a few moth nips, and the pants markings a bit worn, but still visible. The M43 Officers hat (which has been on my acquisition list for a long time) is beautiful, just slightly worn on the inside with only the size still visible. He wanted to sell it all and asked a fair value and I was straight up with him and told him that its worth more than I could give him at the moment as I'm in the closing phase of buying a house. Told him the best I could offer at the time was $1200 and that I wouldn't offer that because it would be an insult. Guess my honesty paid off and he said if I could come up with $1600 it was mine. I pinched a few pennies in a week and came up with the rest. Appears all items with the M36 went through the Munich depot.

Simply amazing as to what can still be found. Im really hoping to find more info on his father's unit, just to see where he ended up at wars end.

Here are the pics: (Helmet was not part of it, just threw it on for looks)
 

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mauser99

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definitely a nice little grouping.. I find honesty pays off when dealing with people. I would have to say the m43 cap is the star of the grouping. Later type using a T type bevo insignia typically used earlier on the Bergmutz later used and used up on standard m43's folded in trapezoid manner.

As has been said items missing on the visor are a non issue easy to find.
 

Gerst

Senior Member
The blue Waffenfarbe piping on the visor is for the Administrative Service which prior to late 1944 was called the Heeresverwaltung.
 

mike44f

Member
definitely a nice little grouping.. I find honesty pays off when dealing with people. I would have to say the m43 cap is the star of the grouping. Later type using a T type bevo insignia typically used earlier on the Bergmutz later used and used up on standard m43's folded in trapezoid manner.

As has been said items missing on the visor are a non issue easy to find.
I didn’t even know it was an officers M43 til I saw it in person as the few pictures he sent weren’t the best. So I assumed it was a standard enlisted one. I usually stick more to late war stuff and combat worn items, but it was just too nice to pass up as a whole grouping
 

mike44f

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Also, Im curious if anyone knows how the Germans deployed medical troops. Would this guy have been an orderly at a hospital/forward triage area, a medic attached to an infantry or other unit, etc? I haven’t been able to find much pertaining to their deployment
 

Gerst

Senior Member
I believe the Heeresverwaltung had dark green piping, the dark blue was medical troops.
The green was replaced by blue in late 1944 When the various administrative services were consolidated. The medical service color was also blue.

My father was a Heeresverwaltung officer. In August, 1944, he was transferred to a doomed division in France but never reached them and ended up encircled at Dunkirk. He never had blue piping on his cap or epaulettes or wore the new insignia.
 

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mike44f

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The green was replaced by blue in late 1944 When the various administrative services were consolidated. The medical service color was also blue.

My father was a Heeresverwaltung officer. In August, 1944, he was transferred to a doomed division in France but never reached them and ended up encircled at Dunkirk. He never had blue piping on his cap or epaulettes or wore the new insignia.
I’ve never read that, that’s interesting though! That’s awesome you have that grouping
 

Gerst

Senior Member
I’ve never read that, that’s interesting though! That’s awesome you have that grouping
Here is his EKII awarded at Dunkirk which , unlike the French in 1940, never surrendered. I threw in a couple of other pics.
 

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Rheinmetall

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The green was replaced by blue in late 1944 When the various administrative services were consolidated. The medical service color was also blue.

My father was a Heeresverwaltung officer. In August, 1944, he was transferred to a doomed division in France but never reached them and ended up encircled at Dunkirk. He never had blue piping on his cap or epaulettes or wore the new insignia.
Yes, it is true that there was a color change after the consolidation of administration services which formed the TSD. However, the shade of blue used for the TSD was by regulation a lighter shade of blue than that of medical.
 

Gerst

Senior Member
Yes, it is true that there was a color change after the consolidation of administration services which formed the TSD. However, the shade of blue used for the TSD was by regulation a lighter shade of blue than that of medical.
You are correct. I doubt many TSD officers ever had the new piping or the new devices on their shoulderboards. My father was kind of busy!

Truppensonderdienst was harder to say than Heeresverwaltung but it sounded more important. the Germans were organizing and re-organizing down to the last minute. Doenitz even came up with new combat insignia! , One of my aunts was on his staff In Berlin which was good since my father’s last unit was commanded by an admiral!
 
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mike44f

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You are correct. I doubt many TSD officers ever had the new piping or the new devices on their shoulderboards. My father was kind of busy!

Truppensonderdienst was harder to say than Heeresverwaltung but it sounded more important. the Germans were organizing and re-organizing down to the last minute. Doenitz even came up with new combat insignia! , One of my aunts was on his staff In Berlin which was good since my father’s last unit was commanded by an admiral!
Definitely some amazing pieces of history there. I'll have to look into that battle more, I know there were coastal hold outs just never read up much on those.
 

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