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How late did Walther produce the sportmodell?

flynaked

Senior Member
I picked up a Walther this week that has me curious about this question. The majority I see are prewar guns, and this appears to be a late eagle/N gun, but how late? Looking through Simpsons book they reference serial 43516W I believe it was, as not having any fire proofs as if it was a possible factory pick up? Are they thought to have been produced this late, or would it more likely be a leftover piece from prior production? My rifle is 43323W and is definitely fire proofed, there are four eagle/N’s. Thanks!
 

ugafx4

I buy capture paper guns
I think the only way this question can be answered is if we see some photos of your rifle.
 

WreckTangle

Senior Member
Well, the Walther Sportmodell was extremely popular, both with the SA and the general public. So much so, that during the development of the KKW, BSW basically stole--I mean barrowed--the Sportmodell's bolt design because BSW couldn't seem to design any trainer that anyone liked themselves. BSW even incorporated the Sportmodell bolt into their short lived Meisterschaftsbuchse rifles.

I guess it would make sense for Walther to keep producing them throughout the war, as popular as they were. If it has the Eagle/N it was made after 1940 (I'm drawing a blank, I think thats the year they switched from the BUG proofs) after all it wasn't until the Sportpalast speech around mid-February 1943 that the Third Reich mobilized the general public for "total war". Before that, the Reich wanted the general public to have the same standards of living as before the war. Your into commercials.. when did they stop producing those? Just speculation on my part, but it could POSSIBLY be a factory pickup, the Americans were advancing so quickly in the last months of the war that Walther was literally moving their K43 production machinery and workers a few miles east every couple days. I wouldn't think they'd take Sportmodells with them at that point in the war. Thus, plenty of booty for the taking. If not a factory pickup, it wasn't far from the factory because the Allies, controlling the airspace, destroyed most of Germany's supply chain network--rail. Why move .22s around when you can't resupply troops at the front with more effective weapons? Again, speculation on my part.

I believe Walther and JGA were located close to each other. This why I think the above makes sense: The last serial record for a JGA DSM34, SN 8874, as listed in Simpson's book, has a Eagle/N firing proof, but no logo. He states GI's could have put them together at the factory. I have a JGA DSM34, SN: 8734 that I got from an estate in NC, I've seen 8726 and 8739 (ironically 8738 is listed in Simpson's book, consecutive numbers!) all three rifles were located in Western NC... all in excellent condition. Someone brought them back, maybe a higher up? What are the chances that those rifles show up in NC, all located less than 60 miles apart, 85 years later and 4500 miles from where they were made in and only 13 serials apart....

Glad to see your finally leaving the dark side Clay. Welcome to collecting trainers, it's addicting as hell and not costing $3000+ per rifle (unless your shopping at Simpson's website) you can quickly start building a decent collection with so many variations. Super enjoyable to collect because you can actually shoot them, they are super accurate, draw the crowds at the range and no bad bores because .22 ammo wasn't corrosive then.
 

R.W. Parker

Well-known member
Your into commercials.. when did they stop producing those?

It's been some time since I looked at my copy of Speed's Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifles but, if I remember correctly, MO was producing commercials (albeit in limited quantity) practically until the bitter end.

Not Walther of course, but I always thought that was interesting...

Richie
 

flynaked

Senior Member
Will, I think I’m in all the dark sides lol, I collect ALL German guns unfortunately. So Richie is right, commercial production never shut down, Oberndorf, Sauer, etc were producing till the very end. Kriegsmodells in one department, square bridge Stutzens in another. Production was dramatically reduced naturally, but never stopped. I have a friend with a 1945 Sauer drilling that isn’t luftwaffe and I have a 1943. They are definitely out there, I’ve seen quite a few.

I just don’t know how else to explain serial 43516W in Simpsons book not having firing proofs, other than a factory pick up, it certainly is odd. The transition to eagle/N was Jan 1940 by the way.
 

JoeW

Well-known member
I have a Sportmodell recorded in my DB at 43901w with E/N, as well as a Meisterbuchse Oympic at 43625w also E/N. So I imagine the earlier one Simpson recorded w/out proofs was an anomaly. They were selling sporting rifles well into 1944.
 

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