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Kriegsmarine Marked rg34 - (Formerly Sad Remnants of Navy Marked rg34)

Slash

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IIRR the "double circle" has a different meaning. More like an accepted sample. But I need to cross check that.

The attached image is from the Marineverordnungsblatt of 1939. Sorry for the poor scan and hard to make out the details but this is the best image I could find. As Wolfgang stated it is apparently an acceptance stamp for parts and materials. Should not be confused with the Eagle > M stamp which is a property marking.
 

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Amberg

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The attached image is from the Marineverordnungsblatt of 1939. Sorry for the poor scan and hard to make out the details but this is the best image I could find. As Wolfgang stated it is apparently an acceptance stamp for parts and materials. Should not be confused with the Eagle > M stamp which is a property marking.

Thanks,
that is exactly the image/document I was looking for.

"Hawig" Hauswirtschaftsmaschinen-Gesellschaft mbH
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and arsenal stamp N.608.
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp 103.
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit (?) stamp M.S.W.
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and arsenal stamp N.xxx.
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M

Please add, that the two Hawig kits (bold) are unit stamped with "2.M.A.A." (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
The M.S.W. marking most likely is for Marineschule Wesermünde. A school for the technical training of machine personnel of crews, NCOs and sergeants,
 

dot

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Corrections made, thanks Wolfgang. Also two kits of 1937 added.

KM Rg34's updated list:

"Hawig" Hauswirtschaftsmaschinen-Gesellschaft mbH:
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.608. and unit stamp 2.M.A.A. (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp 103.
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp M.S.W. (Marineschule Wesermünde ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.xxx.and unit stamp 2.M.A.A." (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M

Aktien-Maschinenfabrik Kyffhäuserhütte:
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M and arsenal stamp G./N.6841
Ky1938 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M

Gustav Appel Maschinenfabrik:
G. Appel 1936 - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and arsenal stamp N-16804

Others:
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both

Please, if anyone has any addition, report here.
 

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KM Rg34's updated list, thanks to Wolfgang:

"Hawig" Hauswirtschaftsmaschinen-Gesellschaft mbH:
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.526. and unit stamp 2.M.A.A. (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.608. and unit stamp 2.M.A.A. (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp 103.
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp M.S.W. (Marineschule Wesermünde ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.xxx.and unit stamp 2.M.A.A." (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M

Aktien-Maschinenfabrik Kyffhäuserhütte:
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M and arsenal stamp G./N.6841
Ky1938 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M

Gustav Appel Maschinenfabrik:
G. Appel 1936 - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and arsenal stamp N-16804

Others:
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both

Please, if anyone has any addition, report here.
 

dot

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Another Ky1939 kit reported.
KM Rg34's updated list:

"Hawig" Hauswirtschaftsmaschinen-Gesellschaft mbH:
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.526. and unit stamp 2.M.A.A. (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.608. and unit stamp 2.M.A.A. (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp 103.
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp M.S.W. (Marineschule Wesermünde ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.xxx.and unit stamp 2.M.A.A." (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M

Aktien-Maschinenfabrik Kyffhäuserhütte:
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M and arsenal stamp G./N.6841
Ky1938 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M


Gustav Appel Maschinenfabrik:
G. Appel 1936 - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and arsenal stamp N-16804

Others:
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both

Please, if anyone has any addition, report here.
 

dot

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Another Ky1937 kit reported by mrfarb.
KM Rg34's updated list:

"Hawig" Hauswirtschaftsmaschinen-Gesellschaft mbH:
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.526. and unit stamp 2.M.A.A. (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.608. and unit stamp 2.M.A.A. (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp 103.
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp M.S.W. (Marineschule Wesermünde ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.xxx.and unit stamp 2.M.A.A." (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M

Aktien-Maschinenfabrik Kyffhäuserhütte:
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M and arsenal stamp G./N.6841
Ky1938 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M


Gustav Appel Maschinenfabrik:
G. Appel 1936 - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and arsenal stamp N-16804

Others:
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both

Please, if anyone has any addition, report here.
 

Slash

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Staff member
I have observed kits accepted by the Kriegsmarine only from the firm Kyffhäuserhütte and Hawig. Interestingly, the kits accepted by the Luftwaffe were from G.Appel. Antoni

I know this is an old thread, but I just caught an area of interest ...... Antoni, can you elaborate on the Luftwaffe accepted Appel kits? Not sure that I have ever encountered one ......
 

Amberg

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BTW:
I just bought another Swastika over M in circles. Again postwar police green overpainted :facepalm: , but it likely is a HAWIG from 1940 or later, since it has the single reinforcing groove.
I'll post some photos when it has arrived.
 

Slash

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I can try it although as you well know there are many holes in the great puzzle about the development and history of the Rg34...

https://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?46554-Rg34s-for-the-Luftwaffe

Antoni

Thanks for posting these Antoni.

BTW:
I just bought another Swastika over M in circles. Again postwar police green overpainted :facepalm: , but it likely is a HAWIG from 1940 or later, since it has the single reinforcing groove. I'll post some photos when it has arrived.

Very interesting Wolf, look forward to seeing this. Mine is like yours, without any retention ridges.
 

dot

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Another Ky1939 kit reported by Slash. Thanks.
KM Rg34's updated list:

"Hawig" Hauswirtschaftsmaschinen-Gesellschaft mbH:
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.526. and unit stamp 2.M.A.A. (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.608. and unit stamp 2.M.A.A. (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp 103.
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp M.S.W. (Marineschule Wesermünde ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.xxx.and unit stamp 2.M.A.A." (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M

Aktien-Maschinenfabrik Kyffhäuserhütte:
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M and arsenal stamp G./N.6841
Ky1938 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M

Gustav Appel Maschinenfabrik:
G. Appel 1936 - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and arsenal stamp N-16804

Others:
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both

Please, if anyone has any addition, report here.
 

dot

Senior Member
Another Ky1937 kit with arsenal stamp, reported by a French collector. Thanks.
KM Rg34's updated list:

"Hawig" Hauswirtschaftsmaschinen-Gesellschaft mbH:
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.526. and unit stamp 2.M.A.A. (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.608. and unit stamp 2.M.A.A. (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp 103.
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and unit stamp M.S.W. (Marineschule Wesermünde ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M, arsenal stamp N.xxx.and unit stamp 2.M.A.A." (2. Marine Artillerie Abteilung ?)
Hawig logo - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M

Aktien-Maschinenfabrik Kyffhäuserhütte:
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M and arsenal stamp N/5051
Ky1937 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M and arsenal stamp G./N.6841
Ky1938 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - tinned - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M
Ky1939 - painted - Nazi style eagle over M

Gustav Appel Maschinenfabrik:
G. Appel 1936 - tinned - Weimar style eagle over M and arsenal stamp N-16804

Others:
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both
unmarked - painted - Swastika over M, in circles both

Please, if anyone has any addition, report here.
 
Hello gentlemen,

Some pics of my Rg 34 - Ky dated 1937 - with the the eagle over the M and an "N" - 5051 under the box.
Best regards from Alsace , France.
Carfin.
 

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I recently talked with mrfarb about Kriegsmarine marked RGs.
They seem to show up very scarcely.
Attached some old shots showing my other Navy marked RGs.
Any others out there?

Thanks
Wolfgang
Yes, I have three of them.
 

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I have a maker marked and 1944 dated bayonet frog which is also Eagle over M stamped. There are pics of it in the reference section.

And have seen the "double circle" marking on a 1941 dated bayonet frog so there must have been some overlap in the use of both styles.
I have almost thirty Kriegsmarine marked K98K bayonet frogs.
 

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sadly this RG34 has seen some rework after the war.
Overpainted. New contents. Divider newly spot welded.
BUT this is the first one I've come across with the rare swastika over M in circles stamp.
Otherwise unmarked.
I have three.
 

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dot

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Yes, I have three of them.
The truth is that I have a hard time understanding the presence of the Kriegsmarine stamp on a 1936 kit that has already been accepted (Weimar eagle WaA325). Also the excessive zeal in marking all the parts, as well as where it has been stamped: on the back of the HKW and on the first link of the chain, which is not common.

Antoni
 

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