late war Appel assembled kits

[Frysk]

Interesting kits,
cnx waA20
CNX waA20 compared with ab44 & cmr44 and matches the cmr44
arr4 waA20 top latch marked

Both cnx marked have late war guts so i assume they are late war, since no date is pressent on the behälter.
Glad to add these to the collection.
Kind regards,
Frysk

 

[pwcosol]

Here is a older and very informative URL on the late G. Appel & Braunschweigische "arr" behalter:

Unusual rg34 Behalter Thread

Starting a thread to document strange or unusual rg34 cans (behalter). The late war kits assembled by G. Appel utilizing parts and components transferred from Hawig and Mundlos have been discussed in a number of postings here on the forum. Here is an example having the CNX stamping with Eagle...

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[mdarnell19]

Nice. I like the large CNX and late chains.

 

[mrfarb]

I specialized my collecting to obtain the late CNX kits long ago and have quite a few very interesting ones.

 

[Frysk]

I specialized my collecting to obtain the late CNX kits long ago and have quite a few very interesting ones.

All with late war guts?
And did braunschweig(arr) also contribute to the CNX marked kits??

 

[mrfarb]

Yes, most are identical inside but really late ones have different chains.

 

[Slash]

Yes, most are identical inside but really late ones have different chains.

And different oil bottles and many or perhaps most without the HKW (tool). My thoughts only .....

I'm addicted like mrfarb. These are great kits.

 

[Scharf]

Hello!

I have found this one today

 

[Frysk]

Hello!

I have found this one today

No waA?

 

[Scharf]

No waA?

It doesn't look like it has one, it's in the mail so I'll have to get my hands on it to find out.

 

[Scharf]

More pictures : it's not cleaned and hasn't been messed with

 

[Slash]

The thin font cnx in last marking location without WaA is a very hard behälter to locate. Congrats ......

 

[Slash]

Interesting kits,
arr4 waA20 top latch marked

The arr4 behälter with WaA20 markings on the main/large compartment lid is another very hard variation to find. These were some of the last cans by Braunschweigische with WaA markings prior to the conversion to tan paint. Thanks for posting ......

 

[Scharf]

I honestly had no idea they were this uncommon. I wanted one with the cnx markings close to the latch as I knew they were late war. I have learned a great deal, I'm once more thankful.

 

[Frysk]

It doesn't look like it has one, it's in the mail so I'll have to get my hands on it to find out.

Very nice, now i have another to look out for

 

[Scharf]

Yes it's a nice kit, and I know where it comes from now, it's been found in an attic quite recently in the Vosges region eastern France. I like to be able to trace back items that were used in the latter stages of the war.

 

[Fulton bulldog]

I picked this up yesterday. Didnt know cnx were late war.

 

[mrfarb]

There is some confusion on this thread. cnx with no wa20 are considered late, they begin to show up early, like 41 I believe but have a Waffenamt. You have to differentiate between cnx with small font and CNX with the larger thin letters. Those with the large thin CNX are 45 assembled imo.

 

[Scharf]

The other difference as well is that the cnx markings on yours are in the usual location, the ones where it's close to the center of the lid I've always read were late war.

 

[Slash]

Yes, the marking locations and styles are important. I agree with both mrfarb and Scharf here. The cnx (lower case) cans begin in early 1941 replacing the 64 coded kits. They run from that period to probably 1945. A very few early cans are found marked cnx on the right side of the lid like the 64 cans. This quickly changed to the cnx marking on the left side of the lid almost always with SWE WaA20 on the right. Their last cans have the cnx marking again on the left but moved closer to the center of the lid. Scharf's can as shown in post #8 and #11 is an example of this late version. There are also differences (shortcuts) to the internal construction.

The CNX kits are a completely different series. The CNX (upper case) marking will be found on the right side of the lid. Some are marked with a WaA20 on the left side. The middle can in Frysk's original post is an example of this can. It is believed these kits were assembled by G. Appel with parts/components received from Hawig and Mundlos. The construction of the CNX cans is different than the G. Appel made cnx marked versions. The CNX kits date from very late 1944 into '45 as noted by mrfarb.

All of the cnx and CNX cans are undated.