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Canhona

Member
Hi all. So numbers match, etc.... but i know very little about these rifles. The markings look great! My pap was in ww2 and i do have some items from him and the history just draws me in, ya know? I think i might have a really great piece of history here. I hope I do. Take a gander and tell me what you guys know. ... much appreciated.
 

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Zeppelin5000

Senior Member
It's a 1942 JP Sauer produced rifle. It's a bolt mismatch. My guess it was from a Mauser-Oberndorf produced rifle. The stock was unfortunately refinished. And a bit sloppily too since the metal wasn't removed when they did it.
 

Muncher 1953

Senior Member
What does a bolt mismatch mean? And how can you tell?
Bob & many here have many rifles, & have seen (at least) hundreds more. Some have a few rifles, but have looked at hundreds/thousands of hi-rez photos, read books, etc. When you’ve seen more than a few rifles, the pertinent features begin to jump out at you. Do you know if your Dad brought this rifle back from Europe, or might he have acquired it after he returned Stateside?
 

Canhona

Member
I dont think it was acquired stateside. The story goes that it was brought back, and bought from an old vet a long time ago...... But im not 100 percent sure guys. I asked my mom about it and she has no clue. Dad isnt with us anymore. This was always in the safe.

So that is why im here...i know from creeping here a bit you guys know your stuff. I appreciate the help.

What else can you tell me about it? :)
Should i do anything to it?
Based on the date and serial, do you think it was used in ww2?
What does the BB etched in the top in pic 5 mean?
Sorry for my ignorance on the matter.

BTW I don't want to sell it. This is something my sons will cherish down the road. They love ww2 history too.
 

heavy_mech

RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
Based on the date and serial, do you think it was used in ww2?
Well it was made very early in 1942 based on the '41 dated barrel and being under 4000 in the first (no letter) block I'd say that's a certainty. In what capacity? Can't say.
What does the BB etched in the top in pic 5 mean?
That's actually a script CE which was JP Sauer & Son 'code' as they were the manufacturer of this piece.
 

heavy_mech

RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
I can also add that the receiver itself was made and supplied by Walther based on the e/359 in the first position on receiver right, but the bulk of the other components (all you show) with the e/37 acceptance stamps were made 'in house' by Sauer

Barrel blank was supplied by C.G. Haenel of Suhl and (probably) finished by Sauer,
 
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Remfan

Senior Member
Nice heirloom to have indeed. When I inherited my dad's 98k only thing I did to it was clean the bore and wipe the metal down with a cloth with a bit of oil to protect. Thanks for sharing. It will be a joy to pass down to family down the road.
 

Stan

Senior Member
Many times the provenance can't be proven. Let the rifle speak for itself. How it got here is always interesting, but many bring backs have been butchered into sporters and many early imports are nice, un-altered and fine collectables. Both can be found as bolt mismatched. Yours looks nice!
 

heavy_mech

RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
If you throw up pics of any other acceptance you can find we can tell you more. Bolt bottom?
 

Canhona

Member
I dont think it was acquired stateside. The story goes that it was brought back, and bought from an old vet a long time ago...... But im not 100 percent sure guys. I asked my mom about it and she has no clue. Dad isnt with us anymore. This was always in the safe.

So that is why im here...i know from creeping here a bit you guys know your stuff. I appreciate the help.

What else can you tell me about it? :)
Should i do anything to it?
Based on the date and serial, do you think it was used in ww2? Sorry for my i

BTW I don't want to sell it. This is something my sons will cherish down the road. They love ww2 history too.
If you throw up pics of any other acceptance you can find we can tell you more. Bolt bottom?
Ok ill get some more pics after work.
 

Canhona

Member
As promised. More pics. If I'm missing something, let me know. I was telling my son about these posts and he is really into it. :)

The barrel looks good. Strong rifling. Im going to run a bore snake through. Tried to get a pic for you guys.

For the spots of heavy rust what do you guys recommend? Also, i do see where someone slapped some wood finish on it. Suggestions there?
 

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Muncher 1953

Senior Member
Rust/refinisihing: Do your best to resist the temptation to do anything for a while. Oiling the rusty spots, yes, but think about what to do about the added finish for a while. Unless you have a time machine, you can’t undo what has been done, without it showing. On the rust, many folks use a penetrant like ‘Kroil’ & BRONZE wool (NEVER USE steel wool!)
On the wood/metal with finish added, I’d be tempted to take the rifle apart & rub the bands, etc with patches moistened with acetone ( outdoors, or with ventilation!) to remove the varnish/shellac. Acetone won’t harm the metal finish, unless it’s magic marker. Acetone or lacquer thinner on cotton patches will remove the finish from the wood as well, but it’s pretty hard to do without it being obvious. Once you change it, you can’t change it back. The wood finish is part of the rifle’s history, consider leaving it be as it is. Rust is another matter, destructive. I disassemble & clean the steel parts of my rifles, then oil them. Orange rust can be converted to black rust by boiling, a subject for another post.

Enjoy the learning with your son(s)!!
 

Canhona

Member
Thank you everyone for your input. Im going to make a print out of all this information to keep with the rifle. If anyone has anything else to add, please do so! One last question. In your opinon, what is the value?
 

heavy_mech

RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
It looks like your bolt is an early Mauser Borsigwalde based on those random characters on the bottom of the bolt stem. I do wonder why only 1 acceptance on the bolt root vs. the x2 I'd expect. Was it initially intended as an ordinance spare?
 

heavy_mech

RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
Since you seem interested. The waffenamts, their number, locations and whether a part was even marked at all tell a big part of the story. Material and manufacturing method also helps id and date items.

Would you mind doing a clear photo of the 2 acceptance on the bolt collar? How about the rear face of the cocking piece, extractor and collar. Probably all should be marked. Thx
 

Canhona

Member
Let me know if i missed one.
 

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