"Circle z" marking
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M1903A3
Keeper of the Def's Head
That's the thing, I see them around on rifles here and there but as far as I can recall I've never seen one in a place or a use that I can be 100% sure it's original. But there are enough floating around that they appear somewhat regularly. Maybe a better question would have been more along your lines, has anyone GOT such a part on a rifle (or from a rifle) that we can be sure was made with that part? Then secondly can we know if they were made during wartime at all?
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M1903A3
Keeper of the Def's Head
Agreed, see my refinement above. Basically I am asking two things: were "circle z"'parts made during WWII or not, and were they used on wartime rifles or not if they were?
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sturmgrenadier
Senior Member
Yes, now whether they were produced during German occupation or prior to the Germans "rolling in" in '38 is anyone's guess. I have a few on my dot41 g33/40. They are on nearly every small part on my dou42 g24(t). They are definitely correct for Czech produced rifles of the period. As others have pointed out, I'd be extremely skeptical if I saw these marked components on a non Czech produced rifle.
M1903A3
Keeper of the Def's Head
Agreed, I keep seeing every so often a “circled z” Czech part on a German manufactured K98 and it makes me wonder where the parts came from and how they ended up on each rifle. I have always thought that they are parts added or swapped later, I have no proof of “circle z” parts used in the ORIGINAL ASSEMBLY of a German K98, I mean such a part would have to have both a “circled z” AND a WaA marking AND a matching serial number to be sure of original use outside Czech made guns.
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heavy_mech
RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
I'd certainly agree with these points. Based on the production numbers at both factories I'm sure there were already many marked parts 'in the pipeline' when the Germans moved in. Another thing to consider is they weren't really quick to start changing things.
Certainly agree. I'll also bet it would come with a great 'story' about why it's there and how it's totally legit.
FEARTHEFUNNYMAN
Member
My striker for has this Z on it aswell, looking for insight
I just bought a byf k98 from 43 and it has the Czech Z on the striker but also has a matching serial number on it, but not a waA mark, could this have been a replacement part possibly during war time?
I just bought a byf k98 from 43 and it has the Czech Z on the striker but also has a matching serial number on it, but not a waA mark, could this have been a replacement part possibly during war time?
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Circle Z Brunn small parts turn up in dot and dou production and as armorer spares. I’ve not seen them as OEM on other manufacturers. Would need to see your serial number on this part.
heavy_mech
RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
As Hambone said this was I think agreed wisdom 2 years ago and I think it still stands. We're talking 'at the factory'.
NormGarr87
Member
I'm brand new to the forum but I have a question on the Circle Z proof mark. I have a Sporterized Mauser from Interarms purchased through Sears in the early 70's. There are no marks on the big ring except a number 9643 and a Circle Z proof mark. The barrel also has a Circle Z proof mark. Is there any way to determine who manufactured this rifle?
Fulton bulldog
Well-known member
Czech made reciever and barrel
Fulton bulldog
Well-known member
I believe most of the interarms imported guns were built on old Czech actions
NormGarr87
Member
Thanks to all. I'll post pictures as soon as I learn (again) how to reduce the bilk of the pics.
krukster86
Well-known member
Agreed, pictures will save you endless amounts of typing. More often than not, whenever I hear of "just serial numbers and circle Z proofmark", I think of a SCW/export Polish Wz.29.
NormGarr87
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