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"Numero Uno" aka: 1886 Spandau 71/84 Serial #1

Quick as my battery is low, here is the one 1885 recorded, - LR auction, the RR and Right barrel differ from most 1886, maybe we can examine these observations and offer thoughts... of not, but I have to be quick!

1885-86 Spandau 6168 (unit marked but BP m/m
 

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Quick as my battery is low, here is the one 1885 recorded, - LR auction, the RR and Right barrel differ from most 1886, maybe we can examine these observations and offer thoughts... of not, but I have to be quick!

1885-86 Spandau 6168 (unit marked but BP m/m
Interesting--- looks like this one went to Siam later in life too. So mine certainly isn't the first, but still possibly the first of 1886.

Interesting that all RR and barrel characters are different. Rollover of inspection teams at YE?
 
RR acceptance on the 1885 is C/K the 1886 are almost all C/D

The RB on 1885 is C/K C/P C/S C/W

The RB on 1886's are pretty consistent so far as recorded...

#1 C/L C/E/C/W C/H
#1882 C/L C/F C/W C/H (RR- C/D)
#2672 C/L C/E C/W C/H (RR- C/D) (3.G.G.R.R.309)
#3386 C/L C/F C/W C/H
#6749 C/K C/E C/W C/K (RR- C/D)
#8494 C/L C/F C/W C/H
 
RR acceptance on the 1885 is C/K the 1886 are almost all C/D

The RB on 1885 is C/K C/P C/S C/W

The RB on 1886's are pretty consistent so far as recorded...

#1 C/L C/E/C/W C/H
#1882 C/L C/F C/W C/H (RR- C/D)
#2672 C/L C/E C/W C/H (RR- C/D) (3.G.G.R.R.309)
#3386 C/L C/F C/W C/H
#6749 C/K C/E C/W C/K (RR- C/D)
#8494 C/L C/F C/W C/H
Thank you Paul. This is great info and probably the most discussion I've seen on a 71/84 in a long time. Much appreciated.
 
Quickly, these are the only 1886;s that show acceptance, obviously the alphabetic character interpretation is subjective, (but consistent in its subjectivity!)

This deserves further thought, but maybe later as I was lucky to get this tidbits posted... the differences between 1885 and 1886 acceptance may or may not be relevant, but we need some 1885's and more 1886;s for comparison and about half the 1886 recorded do not show any acceptance at all, some are bare bone reports-pics.
 
Thank you Paul. This is great info and probably the most discussion I've seen on a 71/84 in a long time. Much appreciated.
Wish I had more battery to go further as I saved a few more pictures but I doubt they can get up b4 bat fails, but we should keep this discussion going, your rifle is very interesting!
 
I think the acceptance patterns would reveal some clues if enough could be observed and recorded, it "might" be used to estimate a progression and group similar rifles to broad ranges, I do not think it will be especially revealing in block interpretation, but it might be useful in larger production ranges like 1887 & 1888 when large numbers are involved, but still is such a project worth it, only in some form of unit marking issuance, possibly, really for our purposes here, 1885-1886 it will reveal nothing except with a possibility of "maybe" determining an early 1886 from a latter, assuming there were a number of rollovers in 1886, First we would need to find more 1885's and see if acceptance patterns changed or differed from the one known and then find a 1886 to support a progression.

** actually I was surprised by the 1885 in my files, the auction pictures I saved but I must have been preoccupied and never added it to the research thread. I just did, it was an auction from last year, makes me wonder how many others I neglected to add, but it wouldn't be profitable to backfill or reconcile the two databases for the few possibilities.
 
I think the acceptance patterns would reveal some clues if enough could be observed and recorded, it "might" be used to estimate a progression and group similar rifles to broad ranges, I do not think it will be especially revealing in block interpretation, but it might be useful in larger production ranges like 1887 & 1888 when large numbers are involved, but still is such a project worth it, only in some form of unit marking issuance, possibly, really for our purposes here, 1885-1886 it will reveal nothing except with a possibility of "maybe" determining an early 1886 from a latter, assuming there were a number of rollovers in 1886, First we would need to find more 1885's and see if acceptance patterns changed or differed from the one known and then find a 1886 to support a progression.

** actually I was surprised by the 1885 in my files, the auction pictures I saved but I must have been preoccupied and never added it to the research thread. I just did, it was an auction from last year, makes me wonder how many others I neglected to add, but it wouldn't be profitable to backfill or reconcile the two databases for the few possibilities.
It's a shame the 1885 was molested so much.

Hopefully other examples show up to help trending. It seems to be a golden age now and many gems and rarities keep appearing.
 
It's a shame the 1885 was molested so much.

Hopefully other examples show up to help trending. It seems to be a golden age now and many gems and rarities keep appearing.

I have to admit that I have never seen a group of collectors so successful in such a short time, - across the full spectrum of variations too!
 
I have to admit that I have never seen a group of collectors so successful in such a short time, - across the full spectrum of variations too!
Thank you for the kind words Paul-- our group has been resourceful and persistent, but also lucky-- and I wouldn't trade the latter for anything!
 
As the internet grows, and more of the population "integrates" I personally think more than a few "theories" will be altered, rewritten, or debunked.

I have met some amazing collectors on Gunboards and here on K98k forum, going all the way back to the old Jouster boards if anyone remembers those. I have met just as many collectors with amazing collections that are not on the internet. I spent about an hour on the phone a couple weeks ago with an older gentleman who had an enormous Mauser collection (he claimed around 200 rifles). He doesn't own a digital camera, he has a landline, no cell phone, never owned or operated a computer, ran a typewriter once in highschool, and still writes a check for any payment that needs mailed.

How the hell he found me, is beyond me! But the point being, I think in the next 20-30 years we will see quite a few "new" guns.
 
As the internet grows, and more of the population "integrates" I personally think more than a few "theories" will be altered, rewritten, or debunked.

I have met some amazing collectors on Gunboards and here on K98k forum, going all the way back to the old Jouster boards if anyone remembers those. I have met just as many collectors with amazing collections that are not on the internet. I spent about an hour on the phone a couple weeks ago with an older gentleman who had an enormous Mauser collection (he claimed around 200 rifles). He doesn't own a digital camera, he has a landline, no cell phone, never owned or operated a computer, ran a typewriter once in highschool, and still writes a check for any payment that needs mailed.

How the hell he found me, is beyond me! But the point being, I think in the next 20-30 years we will see quite a few "new" guns.
I totally agree! 2019 was the start of a inflection point in the collecting world.---a generational shift, if you will--as some of the older, "off the grid collectors liquidate or die off". I think we are going to see a lot of "wow" factor for the next couple of years--

Speaking of wow-- Jouster... now that brings back memories!
 
Speaking of wow-- Jouster... now that brings back memories!
Jouster was great, way back in the day.

Something else my wife reminded me of. We are a bunch of secluded nerds (her words) and the rest of the world, that owns the majority of these rifles, do not even know we exist. Some do not even know that these guns are collectible or desirable. Some do not care.
 

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