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Floorplate MUD stamp on byf44?

Maximvs

Maximvs

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Does anyone recognize this MUD stamp on this byf 44. The gun is sn 1366 d. It is a semi kridesmodell configuration.
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You're reading it upside down, and the first letter is a lower-case "q" that didn't stamp all the way. It's "qnw"

The reference I've got ( Heidler's Deutsche Fertigungskennzeichen bis 1945) lists that as an unknown maker that produced StG44 and K98k parts, as well as MP44 magazines with the WaA214 stamp.
 
Cyrano4747 said:
You're reading it upside down, and the first letter is a lower-case "q" that didn't stamp all the way. It's "qnw"

The reference I've got ( Heidler's Deutsche Fertigungskennzeichen bis 1945) lists that as an unknown maker that produced StG44 and K98k parts, as well as MP44 magazines with the WaA214 stamp.
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Thanks. Did they supply parts to Mauser in 1944?
 
Here are a few more pics. Does it seem to be too early in production for a semi krieg configuration?qnw3.jpgqnw2.jpgqnw.jpg
 
For a D Block that should have a milled lower band,And a stamped upper band both numbered to the rifle. Stock is all so in question on the D Block. Trigger guard should have 2 inspection 135 on it. Floor plate should be Byf, Not qnw. Quote me if im wrong. But never seen one like this before.
 
Thanks for this help. I am curious to know more about this gun. The stock is not inletted for the band spring so the kriegs configuration seems plausible. I’ll take it apart tonight to see if there are any numbers inside.
 
SVW1945 said:
For a D Block that should have a milled lower band,And a stamped upper band both numbered to the rifle. Stock is all so in question on the D Block. Trigger guard should have 2 inspection 135 on it. Floor plate should be Byf, Not qnw. Quote me if im wrong. But never seen one like this before.
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Reply below.
 
Stock looks like a Late Dot 44 stock and I see what looks like an eagle H in picture. The floor plate and bands should be numbered to the gun.
 
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bruce98k said:
Wrong stock for a late Mauser.
That stock is for a Brunn I late rifle.
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As are the trigger guard and floorplate. Someone tucked a byf 44 barreled action into a late dot's furniture and guard/floorplate. We know this to be the case because of the single E/135 inspection marking on the TG, the stake marking on the TG, and the fact that qnw was frequently found on later dot rifles and not on byf's. Find a late dot 1944 barreled action with matching bolt and you will have a completed rifle.
 
Pisgah said:
As are the trigger guard and floorplate. Someone tucked a byf 44 barreled action into a late dot's furniture and guard/floorplate. We know this to be the case because of the single E/135 inspection marking on the TG, the stake marking on the TG, and the fact that qnw was frequently found on later dot rifles and not on byf's. Find a late dot 1944 barreled action with matching bolt and you will have a completed rifle.
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Any thoughts on how this rifle got put together? I can post more pics. There is only the number 4 stamped on the inside stock.
 
The rifle was probably a GI bring back that he sportized. And someone else found a dot late war stock. And put the action in it. That is probably why the bands are unnumbered from a late war dot kriegs model. Most people would not know.
 
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Maximvs said:
Any thoughts on how this rifle got put together? I can post more pics. There is only the number 4 stamped on the inside stock.
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One can only speculate. The rifle has been around for almost 80 years. Things happen and get changed over time. Maybe it was a sporter rescue or the orignal stock was damaged.
 
Parts from two rifles became one. The late dot stock and associated parts are worth more than the mismatched byf 44 barreled action. A d block byf 44 would have originally had a numbered stock, numbered bands, numbered trigger guard, and a numbered floorplate. All those parts were unnumbered in late dot 1944 production. I have no idea why someone would disassemble an otherwise valuable late dot to fix a byf 44. It may have been done by someone else, then the owner of the byf action acquired the loose parts.

30 years ago, prior to Law's Backbone, knowledge of Kar.98k's was accumulated and traded between collectors. There was no easy source regarding correct/incorrect back then. I used to hear guys disparage "dot" rifles. Mauser Oberndorf rifles (and pistols) have always attracted collector attention. Maybe someone trashed a dot 1944 in order to make a byf 44 barreled action into a collectible again. It was also common to hear sellers excuse issues with a mismatched late rifle by saying that "anything was possible" with late rifles because of the increasing pressures of war as the Reich crumbled. Now, thanks to writers like Richard Law, Bruce, and Mike, as well as forums like this, we know that the German rifle factories maintained a fair amount of control until the very end.
 
Pisgah said:
Parts from two rifles became one. The late dot stock and associated parts are worth more than the mismatched byf 44 barreled action. A d block byf 44 would have originally had a numbered stock, numbered bands, numbered trigger guard, and a numbered floorplate. All those parts were unnumbered in late dot 1944 production. I have no idea why someone would disassemble an otherwise valuable late dot to fix a byf 44. It may have been done by someone else, then the owner of the byf action acquired the loose parts.

30 years ago, prior to Law's Backbone, knowledge of Kar.98k's was accumulated and traded between collectors. There was no easy source regarding correct/incorrect back then. I used to hear guys disparage "dot" rifles. Mauser Oberndorf rifles (and pistols) have always attracted collector attention. Maybe someone trashed a dot 1944 in order to make a byf 44 barreled action into a collectible again. It was also common to hear sellers excuse issues with a mismatched late rifle by saying that "anything was possible" with late rifles because of the increasing pressures of war as the Reich crumbled. Now, thanks to writers like Richard Law, Bruce, and Mike, as well as forums like this, we know that the German rifle factories maintained a fair amount of control until the very end.
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Thank you very much for this information. I got the rifle on Gunbroker in 2015 and just now am researching it. I have been referencing the above books and there is a lot to absorb. Your experience and willingness to educate others make this hobby very rewarding.
 
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