TURD ALERT single claw scope on ebay.

Peter S

Peter S

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There is a single claw scope w/ rings on ebay that has issues. ebay link The serial number on the rings is 1083d.

Here are pictures of the scope/rings from ebay

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Here are some pictures of a scope with rings that I got a couple of years ago. I was looking to buy the scope so these were the pictures supplied at the time. The rings just happened to have the same serial number as the ones on ebay. There is a big difference between the two. You be the judge on which ones look original.

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Rings look familiar. Different scope than before I think from when at SOS. If this is the one Peter?
 
It most certainly is the same one from the SOS. The same scope too. I still have the pictures that you sent to me.
 
Did you notice both sets of pictures have the same background?

these are the pics you took of it down at the SOS.

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Peter, I’m a little confused. You are saying that you own the scope and rings in your second set of pictures and that the scope currently on eBay has the exact same serial number?
 
Are you saying this is a scam auction, someone using your pictures or earlier ones - is trying to get people to send them money?

The seller seems to have been in business for quite a while.
 
Two and a half years ago someone on this forum stated that they were going to the SOS and had some sniper items for sale, one of them being an original single claw scope with rings. I asked for pictures and got the set that were of an original scope w/ rings. I had asked Hercules for opinions on the scope rig and he said it was good to go. Therefore I made a deal with the seller to purchase and I sent him a sizable deposit through Paypal. I was not going to be at the SOS and I had asked Hercules to pick the scope up for me and give it to a friend at the show that would bring it home for me. Well, when Hercules picked up the scope, he tells me it is not the same one as the one that was in the original pictures. Hercules took the pictures of the one that was delivered and those are the pictures in post #5. So the seller has two scopes with rings and the rings happen have the same serial number....one real set and one phony set. Seller claims he accidentally sent me the wrong pictures. The seller takes back the scope and I get my refund several days later. I'm not happy with this but I got my money back so I let everything be. Back to present day. I see the ebay listing for the phony scope with rings that were originally being passed off to me. The ebay pictures have the same exact background as the pictures of original set that were sent to me over 2 years ago. This tells me the ebay seller is the same person as the one I dealt with back then. Looking back at my old emails of this incident I found that the seller on ebay and the forum member both live in San Juan Capistrano, CA.....so same person.
 
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@Peter S ok yes I remember when this happened and I understand now. I know the seller and he is a member here.

Personally, I am very protective of the hobby and am willing to calling this member out and let him defend himself here. I know he’s the same one selling on eBay. He’s selling it as original when he’s had several here (myself include) tell him it was fake. I think this is less than honest. But I will let you determine if you want to let this slide or bring it to everyone’s attention.

I’m firm believer in calling out dishonest practices as well as fakes in order to protect the hobby.
 
First 2 pics are of the SC Rifle with the Scope & Force Matched Rings 1083d, Rick Crosier sold the Rifle .

The next 2 pics are of my 1943 SC Rifle with the Original SC Scope #1083d . The collector who I bought this SC from , kept the SC Scope 1083d pictured on my 1943 SC. Just so happens a friend of his bought the SC Rifle from Rick Crosier and he ended up buying the rifle from his friend and now the Original SC Scope & Rings are reunited with its matching SC rifle .

If in fact the person selling the SC Scope on eBay is the same person who I bought my 1943 SC Rifle from , he is fully aware that the Rings have been ReNumbered/Force matched , IMO if it is the same person/member then he should be called out , but I also believe it would only be right to first try to find out if said member is involved or not .
 

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I think these 62xxx bmj with late rings are leftovers sold postwar. I have seen them only with commercial mounts. I have not seen a confirmed 62xxx with SC mount.
 
The original topic is a pretty complicated story. To simplify it, someone made force matched rings to his rifle, then somehow the force matched rings ended up with the guy who has had the original matching number set and the original matching numbers set is now again on the rifle?

@Nigromontanus for what I know Hensoldt Wetzlar, same as Zeiss, serialized consecutive. This would indicate that the 62xxx serial scopes with bmj+ code should be wartime produced (side question to that, what are the 62xxx bmj+ scope serials that you have encountered/recorded? Asking specifically since the SS scopes by Hensoldt are in the 61xxx serial range, so shortly prior, and to compare whether there would be a possible overlap/how close they are. Finally, I however concur that I also lack valid proof for WWII usage, so a bit of a mystery as to what they were used for.
 
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The original topic is a pretty complicated story. To simplify it, someone made force matched rings to his rifle, then somehow the force matched rings ended up with the guy who has had the original matching number set and the original matching numbers set is now again on the rifle?

@Nigromontanus for what I know Hensoldt Wetzlar, same as Zeiss, serialized consecutive. This would indicate that the 62xxx serial scopes with bmj+ code should be wartime produced (side question to that, what are the 62xxx bmj+ scope serials that you have encountered/recorded? Asking specifically since the SS scopes by Hensoldt are in the 61xxx serial range, so shortly prior, and to compare whether there would be a possible overlap/how close they are. Finally, I however concur that I also lack valid proof for WWII usage, so a bit of a mystery as to what they were used for.
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Sorry just to clarify here. When you say “made force matched rings” do you mean added fake markings?

I’m not being snide, I’m just trying to understand this whole series of events from the sidelines.
 
@Absolut: I did not write postwar produced, I wrote postwar leftovers. Postwar because they always bear the late knob, even though one would expect the early knob used from 63xxx t0 65xxx. I have built up a very large database, but never encountered a bmj 62xxx with any wartime mount. All are either naked or with a commericial mount. This is it.
 
Ok I am wonder if the seller on eBay is Mike Koz who is on this forum (username Koz). I believe he is the original seller of this scope to Peter S.

@Koz can you please explain? Are you the seller on eBay? And if so, why are you advertising this as an original set when you have had several inform you that it is not. And when the real scope and rings with the same serial number (that is original) exist? This is very troubling if true. But this is your chance to explain to the community.

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Spoke with a friend over the weekend and he was unable to reach Koz by phone. Seems he is incommunicado for the time being...
 
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