I can’t tell if what I have is a Prussian bolt, Saxon bolt, or neither. What do you guys think?
- Thread starter garrom_56
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That's a Thuringian eagle and typical of Erfurt or the Suhl Consortium (who got their inspectors from Erfurt) The Simson rifles procured by Prussia also have this.
This bolt, IMO is off a Suhler (JPS, VCS or CGH) due to the c/B acceptance under the stem.
In other words...not Saxon.
This is a Saxon fireproof.
This bolt, IMO is off a Suhler (JPS, VCS or CGH) due to the c/B acceptance under the stem.
In other words...not Saxon.
This is a Saxon fireproof.
garrom_56
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Hi Chris, thank you for your insight. I viewed a few of your suhlers off the imperial index, and am wondering why those rifles have the Saxon fireproofs, but this likely consortium bolt lacks the same proof? Did the origin of the inspector impact what proofs were on a rifle even if the rifle was assembled in Thuringia and not saxony? Thank you as always and apologies if this question makes no sense
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The Suhlers won't have Saxon proofs.. ever.Hi Chris, thank you for your insight. I viewed a few of your suhlers off the imperial index, and am wondering why those rifles have the Saxon fireproofs, but this likely consortium bolt lacks the same proof? Did the origin of the inspector impact what proofs were on a rifle even if the rifle was assembled in Thuringia and not saxony? Thank you as always and apologies if this question makes no sense
The bolt you just showed is not Saxon, it's a Thuringian eagle, which is just another version of the Prussian eagle. This may be more illustrative. The two eagles are similar, but the Saxon one is significantly simpler.
Top is a Saxon Simson with the typical Saxon fireproof.
Bottom is a Prussian Simson with the Thuringian eagle.
garrom_56
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Ahhh, I see the differences now-thanks! This bolt is currently on a Saxon Simson-is it likely the Prussians procured this rifle during the war and fit it with one of their bolts? The bolt also happens to match itself, so maybe it was quickly swapped out? Your post on your 1917 Prussian Contract Simson-9015c-was also very helpful in distinguishing the differences between Prussian and Saxon Simsons.
mauser1908
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This is a Prussian bolt, by Haenel specifically.
garrom_56
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Nice! Good to know my simson, while mismatched, is still a suhler at heart
