1907 Spandau EWB and KBE marked

cj556

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Acquired this one today. It's all matching down to the screws as refurbished with a Bavarian replaced barrel. I'm curious who may have done the rework Amberg or Ingolsdat? There is no depot markings that I can see on the buttplate and the stock appears to be of Amberg manufacture. The stock has an EWB brand and a KBE marking for the Royal Bavarian Railroad. The gun is duffle cut between the bands and certainly a WW2 bringback. I'm sure this one was hidden away between the wars.
 

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Really, really cool rifle Marc. I'm glad peer pressure works (and both ways at that! Lol) I'm going to guess an Ingolstadt rework-- I could be wrong but sure looks that way.

Any other thoughts guys?

The KBE mark is scarce for sure and the double dip with EWB is a nice bonus. You are making a splash with some of the Gew98s you've been finding.

Thanks for posting so fast, inquiring minds wanted to see :)



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Really nice gun, I would agree on the Ingolstadt rework, look at the quality compared to other depots. I guess we know Amberg supplied them with ordinance spare stocks now. That’s the first armorer’s spare that was produced at Amberg that I’ve seen.
 
Fascinating rifle, these Amberg builds (of recycled receivers, with all new hardware) are fairly rare, but several are known, all dating to 1917-1918 (assumed by the C/A acceptance on all three well documented examples, - C/A is associated with late 1917 & 1918 production, the more prominent the use of C/A the later it is assumed); as for whether Amberg or Ingolstadt, I would also assume Ingolstadt, though the three well documented are diverse in pattern, this one is more detailed, in having the barrel suffix applied, though all three have scrubbed bolts re-numbered w/o suffix applied. This one is neater and cleaner than the others in some ways, all three are EWB (no KBE) and Wolfgang's stock is as nice as this one.

The clincher for me these being Ingolstadt rather than Amberg, is that these are builds (essentially new rifle built around a recycled receiver, little to no use of the original receivers components) use stocks void of cypher and acceptance, had it gone through the normal practice at an arsenal, the receiver probably would have been reserialed in the range it was made and above all the stock would have received the cypher and RS acceptance typical of all new builds (new receiver or recycled, which both were used at most large arsenals usually get the normal treatment, full and proper stock cypher and acceptance); one 1916 Spandau retains its original stock, or at least a Spandau stock but the wrist is C/A over the C/Z original acceptance, no remarking the RS cypher side (still Prussian). In short arsenals generally recycle old receivers as though the receiver was new, building a normal rifle, arsenals seem to take short cuts, sometimes an added acceptance on the RR for a re-barrel, but nothing extravagant.

Anyway, these are neat on their own but the KBE is killer, the first and only original example with this marking, - which is rare enough on m/m stocks, but on such a neat and excellent condition example is extra special, best of all it isn't upgraded!
 
Thank you guys as usual. Very informative as always. I’m glad to narrow down what facility did the work
 
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