Another late RGK variant !

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Received this week. I brought a small batch of BW/WH cleaning supplies at a bargain price with this pleasant surprise...

It is another variant of the oval wire RGK, this one with 2 standard links and the bent wire head. The link covers are made of steel. The overall length is 109cm and the oval wire links are the same as the other variants of this RGK. It comes from Germany.
I contacted the seller after for to ask info about the chain without luck, only said me that their procedence was from their father collection.

Antoni
 

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This one belong in a late cmr. Please do not ask me where I got this. As mentioned in a previous post, I know nothing. And those who want to learn know that.
 
Nigromontanus said:
This one belong in a late cmr. Please do not ask me where I got this. As mentioned in a previous post, I know nothing. And those who want to learn know that.
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Excuse me Nigromontanus, but when you say a late cmr, do you mean a cmr44 or a cmr45?
In an old post there is a cmr45 kit depicted with their pieces that in IMHO seem to correspond to that kit...https://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?32987-Ebay-cmr45-cleaning-kit-find&highlight=cmr45
Your opinion would be very interesting.
Thanks

Antoni
 
Nigromontanus said:
This one belong in a late cmr. Please do not ask me where I got this. As mentioned in a previous post, I know nothing. And those who want to learn know that.
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Dude, don’t be a baby. Calling me out in another post is childish. Assembling 2000 kits as you see fit means nothing. Explain how you came to this conclusion. That’s all I asked. Honestly I don’t even care. You don’t want to support your claims that’s fine. But I need more then “cause I say so” that BS belongs on WAF. You seem like one of the old guys who whatever they say goes, nothing new.
 
Antoni,

Seems like a really neat variation. Hard to imagine spot welding all those links as being a shortcut but I guess so.
 
I have a chain exactly like this Antoni. Same length with paperclip loop and two steel beads only, the body of small welded links. Mine came in a complete ab44 kit although I can't speak that it is correct there. As Paul stated these chains are usually found in late Hawig cans 1944 or '45. Have one also in a cmr43 behälter. A variant type with toggle has also been found in late cnx and CNX kits some of which are marked. These are very scarce, if not rare late chains. Congratulations on your find. I started a discussion thread for these chains here .......

https://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?42663-Interesting-Late-Variant-Hawig-rg34-Chain
 
CanadianAR said:
Seems like a really neat variation. Hard to imagine spot welding all those links as being a shortcut but I guess so.
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An explanation for that would be to take advantage of a general use chain like this that was perhaps available at the time, adding the head loop.
 
Slash said:
I have a chain exactly like this Antoni. Same length with paperclip loop and two steel beads only, the body of small welded links. Mine came in a complete ab44 kit although I can't speak that it is correct there. As Paul stated these chains are usually found in late Hawig cans 1944 or '45. Have one also in a cmr43 behälter. A variant type with toggle has also been found in late cnx and CNX kits some of which are marked. These are very scarce, if not rare late chains. Congratulations on your find. I started a discussion thread for these chains here .......

https://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?42663-Interesting-Late-Variant-Hawig-rg34-Chain
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Thanks for the info Slash !

So..we are talking about 3 variants...
 

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So..we are talking about 3 variants...
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Yes, I think this is accurate Antoni. For what it is worth, I have two of the toggle variations shown at the bottom of your photo. One is like yours with toggle, zinc, and aluminum beads. The second is toggle with two aluminum beads. The toggle of the example with zinc bead is stamped cnx.
 
dot said:
An explanation for that would be to take advantage of a general use chain like this that was perhaps available at the time, adding the head loop.
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I think this is a valid explanation. The body of these chains are consistent in that all the links are welded at the center. The loop or toggle was then added to complete the RGK. If you look at the example at the top of Antoni's photo you will note that the loop is not only larger but is welded toward the end; not the center like the standard links. Leading me to believe the head loop was added to the chain. Same would apply for adding the toggle or paperclip type fitting to the chain. My thoughts only .....
 
Slash said:
The body of these chains are consistent in that all the links are welded at the center. The loop or toggle was then added to complete the RGK. If you look at the example at the top of Antoni's photo you will note that the loop is not only larger but is welded toward the end; not the center like the standard links. Leading me to believe the head loop was added to the chain. Same would apply for adding the toggle or paperclip type fitting to the chain....
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A very interesting appreciation Slash.
 
CanadianAR said:
This must only show up in a fraction of cmr45 or all?
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In only a small fraction of the late Hawig cans. cmr43 through cmr45. Most that I have documented are in cmr44 behälter. My thoughts only .....
 
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