BCD 43

[Mauserguy85]

Hey guys,

Was going through my collection today and way in the back row I found one of my “restos” from circa 2012. I purchased the action from gunboards member Kysunfish circa 2012 who purchased it from fellow gunboards member Solman….

I recall Solman asking questions about it when he owned it and there was some discussion over it possibly being a legit rework. The original stock was destroyed according to solman but had numbered stamped bands. It came to me sitting in a Mauser Oberndorf “nice looking” RC stock. When I received it, I had a perfect 1943 Norwegian rework “c” marked stock from Mario in my closet so that’s what she sits in now.

I’m thinking about passing it on to a good buddy of mine from work and some more details or thoughts about the action and its bolt would be appreciated. He’s not big into k98ks but just wants something nice to display and possibly shoot once or twice, so I figured something like this fits the bill. I know that Czech marked “circle z” safeties were used on certain reworks, so I just want some opinions. Hump job bolt or possible rework of some sort? Barrel Bands?

As many of you know, I mainly have always collected JP Sauer examples with a few BNZ and BYF’s mixed in. BCD’s never really floated my boat so the number fonts/finishes/specifics are not really my area…

 

[Mauserguy85]

No opinions on this guys?

 

[Jdt]

No opinions on this guys?

I'll check my books later.

 

[Loewe]

Not to be negative as you are a good guy, but I'd say this has low probability to be period work, not typical anyway..

 

[Mauserguy85]

Not to be negative as you are a good guy, but I'd say this has low probability to be period work, not typical anyway..

Loewe, I appreciate the honestly. If it’s a turd, it’s a turd. This is how I purchased the barreled action 13 years ago. I had my strong suspicions then and the purchase price at the time reflected that. The previous owners had their reservations as well so it’s a case of I kinda knew what I was expecting. All I know is this is how I purchased it and I took no part in the “humping” of this. My main thing is to simply rule out the 1% possibility that it was wartime reworked. The bolt with the Czech safety and the fact that whoever didn’t scrub the number above the “95” threw me off as most humpers I’ve seen tend to fully scrub the bolt root and than restamp it.

Like, I mentioned above… my friend does wants it and I’m happy this is documented here so he can see it if needed. He’s not a k98k collector and wants something to shoot a couple rounds a year and display in his living room. He wants it to “look right” so I think this fits the bill. I also have a 43 bcd matching to itself bolt that I might exchange this one with so “it’s more correct” since it’s just sitting in my parts pile. Unfortunately the bands are what they are. I have made him aware of the issues that pertain to this example and he fully understands. This thing, even though a turd is a good shooter. For me, this was place holder until I found my BCD 4 finished by Sauer. Thanks guys.

 

[Jdt]

Loewe, I appreciate the honestly. If it’s a turd, it’s a turd. This is how I purchased the barreled action 13 years ago. I had my strong suspicions then and the purchase price at the time reflected that. The previous owners had their reservations as well so it’s a case of I kinda knew what I was expecting. All I know is this is how I purchased it and I took no part in the “humping” of this. My main thing is to simply rule out the 1% possibility that it was wartime reworked. The bolt with the Czech safety and the fact that whoever didn’t scrub the number above the “95” threw me off as most humpers I’ve seen tend to fully scrub the bolt root and than restamp it.

Like, I mentioned above… my friend does wants it and I’m happy this is documented here so he can see it if needed. He’s not a k98k collector and wants something to shoot a couple rounds a year and display in his living room. He wants it to “look right” so I think this fits the bill. I also have a 43 bcd matching to itself bolt tahg I might exchange this one with so “it’s more correct”. Unfortunately the band are what they are. I have made him aware of the issues that pertain to this example and he fully understands. This thing, even though a turd is a good shooter. For me, this was placeholder until I found my BCD 4 finished by Sauer. Thanks guys.

That dual code rifle sounds interesting. You make a thread on it?

 

[Mauserguy85]

That dual code rifle sounds interesting. You make a thread on it?

I did on gunboards many moons ago, lol. I would say uncommon, but not rare really. It’s a BCD 4 supplied receiver that was assembled and finished by JP Sauer. If I have some time later this week, I will post it up. Work has been kind of nuts.

 

[Mauserguy85]

Also, please guys. Just a little request. I value honestly and straightforwardness. No need to sugar coat anything in regards to my posts. I’ve been in this k98k collecting game for a while now and been through the good, bad and ugly. Please don’t hesitate to call it how you see it. I appreciate this forum and its membership very much. Not to sound totally cheesy, but many of you are the reason I have got back into k98k collecting…

 

[heavy_mech]

I don't like the numbering on the bolt face. Appears the pad was ground as there's no 'gutter' left. Looks like the other bolt parts are mismatched but 'correct' bcd suppliers.

I'll add I kind of like the rest. Metal finish looks good and has a nice overall look. If it shoots well and it was priced appropriately, I think you did fine for what it is.

 

[Loewe]

Loewe, I appreciate the honestly. If it’s a turd, it’s a turd. This is how I purchased the barreled action 13 years ago. I had my strong suspicions then and the purchase price at the time reflected that. The previous owners had their reservations as well so it’s a case of I kinda knew what I was expecting. All I know is this is how I purchased it and I took no part in the “humping” of this. My main thing is to simply rule out the 1% possibility that it was wartime reworked. The bolt with the Czech safety and the fact that whoever didn’t scrub the number above the “95” threw me off as most humpers I’ve seen tend to fully scrub the bolt root and than restamp it.

Like, I mentioned above… my friend does wants it and I’m happy this is documented here so he can see it if needed. He’s not a k98k collector and wants something to shoot a couple rounds a year and display in his living room. He wants it to “look right” so I think this fits the bill. I also have a 43 bcd matching to itself bolt that I might exchange this one with so “it’s more correct” since it’s just sitting in my parts pile. Unfortunately the bands are what they are. I have made him aware of the issues that pertain to this example and he fully understands. This thing, even though a turd is a good shooter. For me, this was place holder until I found my BCD 4 finished by Sauer. Thanks guys.

It is not a certainty regarding all aspects so there is that... I do have few pictures of this rifle in January 2001 (attached), not sure if there were more or the context but at least you will have them for research value, wish they showed the band as I am pretty sure they are bad here, generally stamped bands are a 1944 thing for Gustloff Weimar, at least they are Very uncommon (none recorded), even before the e-block (44) they are rather uncommon, wrong serialing style imo too)

Anyway reworks can produce any combination but generally late war reworks are rare and next to impossible to authenticate in any case, the Germans were culling supply and ordnance personal for the front and not usually occupying the battlefield probably account for scarcity.

 

[Muncher 1953]

definitely a different stock in 2001 & now (looking at the depth of the recoil lug) but then Mauserguy85 wrote that he bought it as a barreled action. My bcd 43 3779cc has speed milled & milled bands. (matching less safety)

 

[Mauserguy85]

definitely a different stock in 2001 & now (looking at the depth of the recoil lug) but then Mauserguy85 wrote that he bought it as a barreled action. My bcd 43 3779cc has speed milled & milled bands. (matching less safety)

I went through my emails late last night. Quick search of the previous owner opened up the pics that I received before purchase. It came in a very nice looking RC walnut byf43 stock. Then I followed up and I ended up selling that stock to a senior gunboards member who needed a placeholder stock. I actually regret selling that stock actually because it was about the nicest RC stock I’ve ever seen or owned.

Like I mentioned in my original post, I had a 1943 bcd “c” marked Norwegian rework stock from Mario Kobalt that was collecting dust. So when I saw this for sale, I jumped on it since I had the stock.

 

[heavy_mech]

Looking at it more closely on the computer I agree with Loewe regarding the bands. Kind of a brain fart on my part. I also see the bolt is actually a dot bolt body.