How to revive original K98 sling? Tips?

Luftwaffles

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Any tips on how to clean up an old, rough, but serviceable sling? I don't want to overhaul it or bubba-tize it. I'd just like to modestly clean it up and preserve it, so that it has a longer, happy shelf-life, while retaining its personality and age. Thank you!

Adalbert Fischer emr42 marked
 

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Was doing some research. It says a lot of museums use "pecard leather dressing." Anyone have experience with that? (I also read about lanolin)
 
I use Sno-Seal and have for the past forty years. I previously tried Pecards, Mink Oil, etc. but they darkened stitching and also smelled. The original Civil War musket I still shoot has an original sling from that era that I brought back from the dead with Sno-Seal. On Civil War leather in general, items I'd assumed were un-marked had their stampings become legible once moisture had been restored to the leather. It's also perfect on hard shell and soft shell holsters as well as helmet liners.
 
Talk to Jerry Burney he is the leather expert

he can be found on Jan Stills site and on gunboards

if I find his PM & e-mail I will revised this post

when it comes to leather he is the god with a small "g" when it come to leather
 
Leather preservation is subject with quite a number of varying opinions and suggestions on how best to accomplish this. I once read a very scholarly article on the subject and wish I had retained a copy of it. However, I do remember a few pearls of wisdom. One, never use LEXOL. Don't use things like Mink or other oils which might tend to turn rancid. Polishes/waxes seal up the pores in leather. Whatever stage of preservation or decay (like dry-rot) your leather is in, you will never make it better. You can only hope to stabilize it in it's present condition without getting any worse. This is usually what Museums do.

I have heard Pecard is good as is Black Rock. I sometimes use Ballistol to add some moisture back into the leather. It is natural, water-based and has paraffin. The water carrier evaporates leaving the paraffin to help preserve the leather. However, do not use it on raw, never finished or treated leather or it may "burn" it a bit and cause the color to turn orange-like. It is also very useful on wooden rifle stocks, pistol grips, etc. I recently tried Black Rock on a '42 dated P.38 hardshell holster. It helped to clean off the underlying polish, dirt, etc., and really made that holster look much nicer. I was favorably impressed.
 
contact Jerry Burney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

forget the internet advice
 
I have been working with leather for over thirty years, both in the production of new items and in preservation of antique leather. What I am about to say will offend some, my sincere apologies but what I say is based on experience and consultation with experienced professionals, so here goes.

Do NOT use anything that contains petroleum products on antique leather items, you can check the label of the product you will be using, it will list the contents. Among items that contain petroleum products are:

(1) Sno Seal

(2) Mink Oils by all of the various companies that make their own versions.

(3) Neatsfoot oil compunds - these allegedly contain neatsfoot oil (good) but are cut with petroleum products and/or other undesirable elements.

and last on my list may be the worst:

(4) Pecards. Pecards is not used by any museum on the face of the planet that has an experienced preservationist on staff. Even their own website has removed that claim.

(5) LEXOL. I put this product in the do not use column, but I really do not have a problem with it other than it needs to be constantly reapplied. It is a water based product and does a fairly good job of preserving as well as cleaning but dries out relatively quickly.

(6) Many other modern "goops" that claim to preserve leather.

Now, all of the above can be used on a good pair of work boots that will be used until worn out and thrown away, they are fine for that as well as a less expensive baseball glove, belts that have gotten severely worn and are on their last legs before disposal, less costly leather garments that have gotten wet and have dried unevenly, etc., etc.


Leather is a natural product that begins to decay soon after it is made, that is simply the nature of the beast. The process is slow (or fast with careless handling) but it does happen. Once you have received an antique leather item, it is best not to use it. Store it properly in a good environment. Avoid at all costs direct sunlight, high or low humidity and extreme temperatures, especially hot temperatures. Do not bag it in a plastic bag, allow air to circulate. And dust it frequently, dust attracts moisture and can lead to mold and mildew.


So, if the above are not good, what do you use? The best thing as Bob in OHIO said in his post is nothing. As I said above, store it properly and, let me add, do not strain it. If you feel must use something, say the item is solid but extremely dry and beginning to stiffen leading to possible breakage, use one of these two items:

(1) Pure neatsfoot oil - NOT the above mentioned commonly available neatsfoot oil compound. Pure neatsfoot oil has a bad reputation because of legend and because people don't know the difference between it and the lesser quality compounds. Therefore, they will use the less expensive and more readily available neatsfoot oil compound. They also don't know how to apply it or anything else for that matter, do remember however that neatsfoot oil is used in the tanning process so all leather does and always has had neatsfoot oil used on it long before you received it. More on application below.

(2) Lanolin – an excellent product and natural, good for leather.

So, now that you know my opinion of what to use, there are a couple of things that need to be said about the application of whatever you decide to use:

(1) Be sure to clean the leather item, especially if it has suffered mistreatment. At the very least, it should be wiped down with a clean, cotton cloth on both sides if possible. That means the hair (smooth) side and the flesh (“rough”) side. Sometimes the flesh side is best cleaned with a paint brush made using natural hairs. This is also good for getting into areas that are difficult to clean using a rag, say around buckles, loops and inside cartridge boxes, etc.

(2) The following is to be avoided if at all possible but sometimes it is necessary. If the item is especially dirty and rubbing and brushing does not remove sufficient crusted on dirt, then you must use a good quality saddle soap on it. Use a minimal amount of water and a soft brush to do the cleaning, too much water will cause problems but to little will not allow you to clean.

(3) If you have been forced to use saddle soap, allow the item to dry sufficiently before going any further.

(4) Now it is time to apply the preservative of your choice. First, remember that less is better. Do not over apply. too much, no matter what you use, will drown the leather and is to be avoided at all costs.

(5) I personally will apply neatsfoot oil (or lanolin) when the leather has dried (after cleaning using saddle soap where necessary) to the point of being almost completely dry, but not quite. Then apply the oil lightly to the flesh side. If, after the first light application, you feel that another application is necessary, do another light application. That should take care of the situation, no more will be necessary. I have seen good antique (and new items) completely destroyed by over application. Again, do not drown the item. To not try to “soften” the item too much, most items have a certain body that seems a little stiff when new and this is what you are looking for, soft leather is fine for garments and certain tannages, but soft leather will tear especially at the stitching and is to be avoided. After all, you should not be using a 75 or 100-year-old item for its original load carrying use, right? Let’s hope not.

That’s all I have to say, I hope that what I have said is helpful and only minimally offends those who may disagree, no offense was intended.
 
I have been working with leather for over thirty years, both in the production of new items and in preservation of antique leather. What I am about to say will offend some, my sincere apologies but what I say is based on experience and consultation with experienced professionals, so here goes.

Do NOT use anything that contains petroleum products on antique leather items, you can check the label of the product you will be using, it will list the contents. Among items that contain petroleum products are:

(1) Sno Seal

(2) Mink Oils by all of the various companies that make their own versions.

(3) Neatsfoot oil compunds - these allegedly contain neatsfoot oil (good) but are cut with petroleum products and/or other undesirable elements.

and last on my list may be the worst:

(4) Pecards. Pecards is not used by any museum on the face of the planet that has an experienced preservationist on staff. Even their own website has removed that claim.

(5) LEXOL. I put this product in the do not use column, but I really do not have a problem with it other than it needs to be constantly reapplied. It is a water based product and does a fairly good job of preserving as well as cleaning but dries out relatively quickly.

(6) Many other modern "goops" that claim to preserve leather.

Now, all of the above can be used on a good pair of work boots that will be used until worn out and thrown away, they are fine for that as well as a less expensive baseball glove, belts that have gotten severely worn and are on their last legs before disposal, less costly leather garments that have gotten wet and have dried unevenly, etc., etc.


Leather is a natural product that begins to decay soon after it is made, that is simply the nature of the beast. The process is slow (or fast with careless handling) but it does happen. Once you have received an antique leather item, it is best not to use it. Store it properly in a good environment. Avoid at all costs direct sunlight, high or low humidity and extreme temperatures, especially hot temperatures. Do not bag it in a plastic bag, allow air to circulate. And dust it frequently, dust attracts moisture and can lead to mold and mildew.


So, if the above are not good, what do you use? The best thing as Bob in OHIO said in his post is nothing. As I said above, store it properly and, let me add, do not strain it. If you feel must use something, say the item is solid but extremely dry and beginning to stiffen leading to possible breakage, use one of these two items:

(1) Pure neatsfoot oil - NOT the above mentioned commonly available neatsfoot oil compound. Pure neatsfoot oil has a bad reputation because of legend and because people don't know the difference between it and the lesser quality compounds. Therefore, they will use the less expensive and more readily available neatsfoot oil compound. They also don't know how to apply it or anything else for that matter, do remember however that neatsfoot oil is used in the tanning process so all leather does and always has had neatsfoot oil used on it long before you received it. More on application below.

(2) Lanolin – an excellent product and natural, good for leather.

So, now that you know my opinion of what to use, there are a couple of things that need to be said about the application of whatever you decide to use:

(1) Be sure to clean the leather item, especially if it has suffered mistreatment. At the very least, it should be wiped down with a clean, cotton cloth on both sides if possible. That means the hair (smooth) side and the flesh (“rough”) side. Sometimes the flesh side is best cleaned with a paint brush made using natural hairs. This is also good for getting into areas that are difficult to clean using a rag, say around buckles, loops and inside cartridge boxes, etc.

(2) The following is to be avoided if at all possible but sometimes it is necessary. If the item is especially dirty and rubbing and brushing does not remove sufficient crusted on dirt, then you must use a good quality saddle soap on it. Use a minimal amount of water and a soft brush to do the cleaning, too much water will cause problems but to little will not allow you to clean.

(3) If you have been forced to use saddle soap, allow the item to dry sufficiently before going any further.

(4) Now it is time to apply the preservative of your choice. First, remember that less is better. Do not over apply. too much, no matter what you use, will drown the leather and is to be avoided at all costs.

(5) I personally will apply neatsfoot oil (or lanolin) when the leather has dried (after cleaning using saddle soap where necessary) to the point of being almost completely dry, but not quite. Then apply the oil lightly to the flesh side. If, after the first light application, you feel that another application is necessary, do another light application. That should take care of the situation, no more will be necessary. I have seen good antique (and new items) completely destroyed by over application. Again, do not drown the item. To not try to “soften” the item too much, most items have a certain body that seems a little stiff when new and this is what you are looking for, soft leather is fine for garments and certain tannages, but soft leather will tear especially at the stitching and is to be avoided. After all, you should not be using a 75 or 100-year-old item for its original load carrying use, right? Let’s hope not.

That’s all I have to say, I hope that what I have said is helpful and only minimally offends those who may disagree, no offense was intended.

Thank you for your exhaustive explanation. I'm not looking to make it anything that it isn't; so could I apply a bit of renwax to the smooth side in order to help? or would that hurt? I lean toward the "don't do anything" camp, and I know renwax is about as neutral as you can get.
 
At the risk of sounding like a deck, why not just leave an original sling alone and let it sit in a display case with other 98k equipment parts? Why not just use an aged repro sling or a good condition one to put on a rifle? That's just my pov as a collector, I'm not judging anyone.
 
At the risk of sounding like a deck, why not just leave an original sling alone and let it sit in a display case with other 98k equipment parts? Why not just use an aged repro sling or a good condition one to put on a rifle? That's just my pov as a collector, I'm not judging anyone.
Got any recommendation of repro sling maker? Using and OG sling as a shooting aid obviously is not in the best interest of the sling. All the repro sling I've come across suck mostly, especially the buckle being to large and locking bar to flimsy and small.
 
At the risk of sounding like a deck, why not just leave an original sling alone and let it sit in a display case with other 98k equipment parts? Why not just use an aged repro sling or a good condition one to put on a rifle? That's just my pov as a collector, I'm not judging anyone.
I think leaving it alone is fine, but conditioning to preserve is the goal. Balistol to me should be good for this unless others disagree.

Leather degrades over time and will crumble after so long. The less changes in temperature, humidity (not too low or too high), mitigated handling, and chemicals used to treat it all help to preserve it for as long as possible. Think museum pieces which are kept very guarded against these things. Deviation or lack of maintenance will eventually lead to runaway leather goods.

Balistol has components to block and stop oxidation, moisture entrance, and has elements that’s give essential oils back to the piece to restore it. Lanolin would be to me more of a barrier and actually cause issues since lanolin attract and draws moisture in. Don’t forget that you use lanolin on lip chap to restore the moisture to the skin for dry lips. But lips unlike leather need moisture and has a body to maintain it. Leather is dead and gone. 😁
 
Got any recommendation of repro sling maker? Using and OG sling as a shooting aid obviously is not in the best interest of the sling. All the repro sling I've come across suck mostly, especially the buckle being to large and locking bar to flimsy and small.
I think member Aaron on here was involved in making repro slings, maybe I'm wrong. Can I ask why you'd need the sling to stabilize your rifle? Aren't there any other ways to shoot it without stressing the sling?
 
I think leaving it alone is fine, but conditioning to preserve is the goal. Balistol to me should be good for this unless others disagree.

Leather degrades over time and will crumble after so long. The less changes in temperature, humidity (not too low or too high), mitigated handling, and chemicals used to treat it all help to preserve it for as long as possible. Think museum pieces which are kept very guarded against these things. Deviation or lack of maintenance will eventually lead to runaway leather goods.

Balistol has components to block and stop oxidation, moisture entrance, and has elements that’s give essential oils back to the piece to restore it. Lanolin would be to me more of a barrier and actually cause issues since lanolin attract and draws moisture in. Don’t forget that you use lanolin on lip chap to restore the moisture to the skin for dry lips. But lips unlike leather need moisture and has a body to maintain it. Leather is dead and gone. 😁
Well, it's mostly due to how and where you store your leather goods. If they remain in a controlled environment, 45 to 55% relative humidity levels you are fine and you'll be long gone before the leather starts cracking. Lots of museum have detailed application notes on how they proceed, it takes some time and understanding of physical/chemical principles of course. I've never done anything to my leather pieces, incmuding slings, none have moved. Bought silica packets, dhumidofier, temperature monitoring and yet, no humidity or dry air problems. I agree, it's not always easy and requires some effort.
 
Well, it's mostly due to how and where you store your leather goods. If they remain in a controlled environment, 45 to 55% relative humidity levels you are fine and you'll be long gone before the leather starts cracking. Lots of museum have detailed application notes on how they proceed, it takes some time and understanding of physical/chemical principles of course. I've never done anything to my leather pieces, incmuding slings, none have moved. Bought silica packets, dhumidofier, temperature monitoring and yet, no humidity or dry air problems. I agree, it's not always easy and requires some effort.
Exactly. And sometimes the leather is just leather. It will do what it will even when the best of preservers maintain them.

Leaving things alone in these things have done more good than not. When people start trying to concoct or experiment over love on their stuff is when sometimes the best intentions lead to the worst realities.
 
I think member Aaron on here was involved in making repro slings, maybe I'm wrong. Can I ask why you'd need the sling to stabilize your rifle? Aren't there any other ways to shoot it without stressing the sling?
There are other ways of course. My reason for asking is I spent almost 4 solid years of my life everyday using a sling on a 10 meter air rifle and was a competitor at the state, regional and national level. I've always preferred to use a sling over a rest plus good practice for eventual match shooting with a couple rifles I have I would like to use in vintage rifle matches. (K98K would be more of a endurance test at a local match since there is one at a local range every month) As I stated I obviously don't use original slings for stability in shooting but I would like to find a good quality reproduction too use for that purpose.
 
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