I have just acquired a Mauser with the following on the receiver V.C.S.SUHL 1915 waffenfanbrik Mauser oberndorf A/N 1902 all serial numbers matching , cleaning rod is missing along with the bayonet it is also missing barrel band I would say in very good condition , do I have something special or just run of the mill
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Heavy is correct, this would be a build around a recycled receiver by one of the consortium makers. Danzig did them as well, but they are rather uncommon rifles to find. They could be considered "rare" if the rifle is matching and the condition is there (stock especially). Very few are....
1902 MO is nothing to sneeze at either, a very hard maker-date to find. The rifle sounds like it has a lot going for it, but of course without pictures nothing can be said as to originality or value.
1902 MO is nothing to sneeze at either, a very hard maker-date to find. The rifle sounds like it has a lot going for it, but of course without pictures nothing can be said as to originality or value.
Thank you so much for your replies I've done the best I can with my limited knowledge and equipment I hope this can shed some light on this rifle, any clues on the other one that I mentioned . It just has the Mauser insignia on the receiver nothing else and as criminal as it sounds I purchased it spilt to build a custom rifle a few years ago and it was all original and in touched it had been used that much the barrel was near smooth and the bolt firing pin hole was oval when I removed it from the wood it had dirt dust and may be blood around the action which had pitted it below the wood line are these rare. I a bit older and wiser now so this is shy I'm enquiring on regards to the other one so I don't pull apart a bit of history
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Well it is sad and good news, it is from the looks of it authentic and rare, the sad is someone took about $500+ worth of value off it sanding the stock... this is typical enough, but a shame all the same. These are rarely found problem free, being that they were made when they were, early in the war when rifles were in short supply compared to need, they got used and many are train wrecks. I am not sure if any exist perfectly original-matching.
Do you have a picture of the right receiver? I am curious what acceptance is there, MO at the period used a couple different acceptance stamps (inspectors), C/X and C/B, perhaps others, but early MO production is rare. I am not altogether sure if you are better off with a straight up MO/02 or one of these recycles, they are both extremely uncommon to find and usually they are problem rifles when they are found.
BTW, still a nice rifle you have and well worth saving if you have the interest. In the US it would be a small matter selling it for decent money (had the stock been untouched, filth and all, it would have drawn some good interest... stocks are the most valuable part of a Gewehr98), but in Australia, I wouldn't know.
Do you have a picture of the right receiver? I am curious what acceptance is there, MO at the period used a couple different acceptance stamps (inspectors), C/X and C/B, perhaps others, but early MO production is rare. I am not altogether sure if you are better off with a straight up MO/02 or one of these recycles, they are both extremely uncommon to find and usually they are problem rifles when they are found.
BTW, still a nice rifle you have and well worth saving if you have the interest. In the US it would be a small matter selling it for decent money (had the stock been untouched, filth and all, it would have drawn some good interest... stocks are the most valuable part of a Gewehr98), but in Australia, I wouldn't know.
Oh, the other rifle, sounds commercial to me, maybe Chinese depending on several factors. Sounds spent and that might be a clue towards having some China experience... If it has the MAUSER Banner across the top it might be a Standard Modell (what is on the siderail? How is it serialed? Proofed?)
It doesn't sound like it is worth a lot but post some pictures and maybe we can help or point you to another forum. Gunboards Mauser forum is good with such topics too.
It doesn't sound like it is worth a lot but post some pictures and maybe we can help or point you to another forum. Gunboards Mauser forum is good with such topics too.
Sorry guys but I don't want to remove my mounts on my other Mauser all it has on the receiver is this nothing else and it is a military not a commercial rifle that's why I'm asking I've looked in books ect and can't find out much at all the single picture above has the serial number and a mark on it . When I had I barrelled the gun smith wanted it he offered good money as he had never seen one and he was into making custom African rifles
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Typically Mauser Banner's are not German military rifles, some Standard Modell receivers and some Mauser Banner's were military acceptanced but they are unusual. It should have proofing in one form or another, either German commercial proofing or if it went to the military, then military proofing or acceptance. The serialing pattern and that it doesn't have a siderail marking seems Chinese to me, though I do not see the Chinese proof (a "sun" or circle markings that would be just to the left of the serial number).
We do not need to see the Mauser Banner, under the mount, but any markings on either side of the receiver or barrel would be helpful. I can tell you now though, I doubt this is German military, - being 7.92 mm does not mean it is German military.
The 1902 MO/ VCS 15 was a valuable rifle, few have so many matching components, but the stock really takes a chunk out of what it would have been worth. When I sell, I try to be "optimistic" on the potential, if it were mine, I would list it for $1000 but not hold my breath... realistically you probably could get around $600 for it with patience. Had the stock been original and unmessed with (filthy or otherwise), you had the handguard and rear band, - basically as it came back, it would have been worth much more. 6-7 years ago, before all this hope & change, "state-capitalism" and social engineering, when I had the money to buy rifles, I would have gone $1500 for a unique rifle like this in "original" condition. Others would have paid more…. I am sorry to say the stocks condition really cuts its value in half or more to most collectors, and many would have no interest at all due to the stock.
We do not need to see the Mauser Banner, under the mount, but any markings on either side of the receiver or barrel would be helpful. I can tell you now though, I doubt this is German military, - being 7.92 mm does not mean it is German military.
The 1902 MO/ VCS 15 was a valuable rifle, few have so many matching components, but the stock really takes a chunk out of what it would have been worth. When I sell, I try to be "optimistic" on the potential, if it were mine, I would list it for $1000 but not hold my breath... realistically you probably could get around $600 for it with patience. Had the stock been original and unmessed with (filthy or otherwise), you had the handguard and rear band, - basically as it came back, it would have been worth much more. 6-7 years ago, before all this hope & change, "state-capitalism" and social engineering, when I had the money to buy rifles, I would have gone $1500 for a unique rifle like this in "original" condition. Others would have paid more…. I am sorry to say the stocks condition really cuts its value in half or more to most collectors, and many would have no interest at all due to the stock.
