Looking for two Storz sources

Fal Grunt

Fal Grunt

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Trying to locate some of the original sources cited by Storz in his 98 book. I am not having much luck searching online. I suspect I know where to find source 19, but my German researcher up and disappeared.

p107,

11 Expertise by the mechanical and technical laboratory of the Technical University of Munich of 14 July 1898, Bayer. KA FSM 1149-1
12 Report of 5 June 1902, Bayer. KA, FZM 1150
13 Appendix to the expertise of the rifle factory in Amberg of 5 June 1898, Bayer. KA FZM 1150
14 Expertise of the gun casting and projectile factory in Ingolstadt of 20 May 1905, Bayer. KA FZM 1153
17 Report of the rifle factory in Amberg 9 March 1907, Bayer. KA FZM 1155
19 Thur. StA Mein, Haenel 218

Any help or direction would be immensely appreciated!
 
Have you tried to email Storz? He's been generally very welcoming to my correspondence in the past.
 
I will 2nd the statement that Chris said about Storz. He is very welcoming to talk to people. I asked Storz if could proof read one of my Colonial Gew 98 articles. He gave me great feedback. I contacted him through the Bavarian war museum.
 
Fal Grunt said:
Trying to locate some of the original sources cited by Storz in his 98 book. I am not having much luck searching online. I suspect I know where to find source 19, but my German researcher up and disappeared.

p107,

11 Expertise by the mechanical and technical laboratory of the Technical University of Munich of 14 July 1898, Bayer. KA FSM 1149-1
12 Report of 5 June 1902, Bayer. KA, FZM 1150
13 Appendix to the expertise of the rifle factory in Amberg of 5 June 1898, Bayer. KA FZM 1150
14 Expertise of the gun casting and projectile factory in Ingolstadt of 20 May 1905, Bayer. KA FZM 1153
17 Report of the rifle factory in Amberg 9 March 1907, Bayer. KA FZM 1155
19 Thur. StA Mein, Haenel 218

Any help or direction would be immensely appreciated!
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If you can get in touch with Storz obviously get it straight from the man himself, but he's got a key for the abbreviations on page 4.

Bayer. KA is "Bayerisches Hauptstaatsarchiv, Abt IV, Kriegesarchiv. I suspect the FSM is an internal folio reference, so FSM 1149-1 would be what you present them to get the source. Each place has their own peculiarities and specific organization. Slightly different notations etc.

Thur StA Mein is the Thüringisches Staatsarchiv, Meiningen, Außenstelle Suhl.
 
Ok, poking around the Bayersiches Hauptstaatsarchiv's online finding guide it looks like FZM is probably Feldzeugmeisterei. A search showed "FZM" as a shortening of Feldzeugmeisterei elsewhere.
 
OK, yep. This source:

Fal Grunt said:
11 Expertise by the mechanical and technical laboratory of the Technical University of Munich of 14 July 1898, Bayer. KA FSM 1149-1
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Is (in their own internal notation) BayHStA, Feldzeugmeisterei 1149/1, which is the 1898-1900 box for the Handwaffen (u. a. Geheim-Akt II b 1897-1899) part of the collection.

Here's the listing online: https://www.gda.bayern.de/findmitteldb/Archivalie/4986966/

Unfortunately it's archive-only, not a digitized source etc.

I'll note that this is pretty common in academia. I had something typed up about it before that I edited out because I didn't think it was relevant, but every researcher ends up having their own short-hand for archives, which is why everyone ends up needing a section for abbreviations. Each institute or archive also ends up having their own internal way of doing things, which is why Storz is writing that source one way but the archive itself has a different one. Publishers can also come into the mix if the way the archive abbreviates itself is too long, which might explain BayHStA getting cut down to Bayer. KA.

Either way, there you go. That should give you enough to start digging, but just from glancing at them and seeing how he notated the sources, I strongly suspect they're all going to be non-digitized, physical sources that you have to go to those archives to access.
 
Cyrano4747,

Thanks for the additional information!

I know that for several of them, they are not digitized, and in the case of the Suhl archive, not readily accessible. I am hoping that Storz can help me with that since I cannot find a reputable (reliable) researcher in Europe to do it for me. (I know they are there, I just can't find them) I also hope that since Storz is in an academic setting, he may know a researcher who has an interest in this subject who would be interested in doing the work.
 
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