Naval O.6997P

ersatz

ersatz

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This is my only WW2 German bayonet. Somewhat out of character for an Imperial Collector. Not sure how long its been since it saw the light of day.
 

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Nice matching piece, anyway the color of blueing is not visible here as red background and probably a flash light pictures? So its possible the piece was reblued in war? or the pictures are not clear to define this, anyway the blade should be cleaned from old vaseline and oil, when done any new pictures.
 
Well, if you only have one WWII bayonet, that is one to have. If you ever decide that it is just too out of place in your Imperial collection, I would be more than happy to help you out with that. 😜
 
AndyB said:
Nice matching piece, anyway the color of blueing is not visible here as red background and probably a flash light pictures? So its possible the piece was reblued in war? or the pictures are not clear to define this, anyway the blade should be cleaned from old vaseline and oil, when done any new pictures.
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ANDY, thank you for your comments. You may be correct about the reblue as the blade and hilt is a deep blue/black color. There are only tell-tale signs of in/out scabbard wear. Before taking the photos, I wiped the blade clean as I do for all my photos.
 
grimlin13 said:
Well, if you only have one WWII bayonet, that is one to have. If you ever decide that it is just too out of place in your Imperial collection, I would be more than happy to help you out with that. 😜
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Your thoughts are exactly as my own. If I was going to have one example of a WW2 German bayonet, then the Navy issue is the one to have. I don't know much about the S84/98 III issue bayonets. Thanks for sharing!
 
ersatz said:
I tend to agree with you both. I suppose a 38 date is early and it may have needed refurbishing.
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The Germans were still doing quality work in `39, more effort was put into the manufacturing. As the war progressed, the concern over quality gave way to expedition and demand for more bayonets, (as well as other materials). Also, it was made by Mundlos , one of my favorite manufacturers, and I think they produced nicer bayonets. They did have their little quirks though, upside down block numbers a couple of different times and swirl marks left on the ricassos. It being produced the first year of WWII adds to it and then to be a Kriegsmarine issue, puts it at the top of collectability for an S84/98 III.
 
grimlin13 said:
The Germans were still doing quality work in `39, more effort was put into the manufacturing. As the war progressed, the concern over quality gave way to expedition and demand for more bayonets, (as well as other materials). Also, it was made by Mundlos , one of my favorite manufacturers, and I think they produced nicer bayonets. They did have their little quirks though, upside down block numbers a couple of different times and swirl marks left on the ricassos. It being produced the first year of WWII adds to it and then to be a Kriegsmarine issue, puts it at the top of collectability for an S84/98 III.
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Great bits of information there grimlin13. Many thanks for taking the time to share ! ! !
 
grimlin13 said:
Also, it was made by Mundlos , one of my favorite manufacturers, and I think they produced nicer bayonets. They did have their little quirks though, upside down block numbers a couple of different times and swirl marks left on the ricassos.
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Couple of other Mundlos anomalies: Hand stamped scabbard serial numbering - Pommel WaA(s) occasionally stamped upside down - Frequent use of thin washers under the grip spanners - Staked lug retention nuts (slightly rounded) - Also one of only a couple of makers to continue with WaA acceptance on numerous parts (including within the scabbard) until very late in 1944

My thoughts only ......
 
Slash said:
Couple of other Mundlos anomalies: Hand stamped scabbard serial numbering - Pommel WaA(s) occasionally stamped upside down - Frequent use of thin washers under the grip spanners - Staked lug retention nuts (slightly rounded) - Also one of only a couple of makers to continue with WaA acceptance on numerous parts (including within the scabbard) until very late in 1944

My thoughts only ......
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Guess I should have added " to name a couple" lol. Thanks Slash for the list of other quirks. All of which makes Mundlos "special".
 
Too many rejections were reported by Mundlos, mainly from early prewar period, same as these pieces were added later into war production, even they wouldnt accepted in prewar.
 
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