SS Dienstglas Short Side Rail rig

[Texasbadger]

Okay guys you saved me from myself last time so here, in my eternal quest for an original is a possible winner. Seems to be in acceptable serial range, somewhat worn, but has upper and lower mounts, lower appears unnumbered. Whaddaya think?

 

[Dave Roberts]

IMO it looks OK correct serial range , SS Markings look OK comparing to other Originals .
Would like to see how Meter Dial is marked . Best Regards .

 

[Texasbadger]

SS Scope

Here ya go Dave, hes more that cooperative, which is a good sign in a potential sale

 

[Absolut]

Sorry Dave, but I absolutely disagree. The SS Dienstglas engraving is totally wrong. Hell, the letters aren't even in a row and with different distances to each other. Look at the "a" on the rear! Also the Deaths head, the original ones are nearly round. This Deaths head is higher than thick. Also the scope serial looks suspicious. I tend to vote that at least the digit "4" and the digit "3" were re-engraved. Probably it was an earlier production scope which was re-engraved to be in the SS Dienstglas serial range. Additionally, there is no rifle serial engraved to the scope tube. It should be.

However, the mount looks original to me. If you can, buy the scope mount. The base could be Swedish, would need better pictures.

If you want an original scope, I have a spare one which I'd sell. The "SS Dienstglas" is partially scrubbed, but it's an original one (and scope only). But didn't I once offer it to you?

Attached are some pictures of my complete and original SS Dienstglas. Compare the font and way of inscription and you'll notice the difference.

€dit: funny. Notice that the engraving on the scale ring are exactly in the opposite direction written. Funny. Someone didn't check original ones good enough.

 

[Texasbadger]

Scope

These are scary items only reason Im hunting one is this is part of a larger purchase and its all looking sketchy. Id like to dig one out of the woodwork for now, the hunt is half the fun. Thanks guys

 

[agalland]

I freely admit to being woefully short on experience and knowledge on these...but I have (2) SSR Dienstglas scopes and based on mine ,and other examples I have seen, the saddle does look a little shakey on the SS Diesntglas engraving...but I suppose the guy could have had a bad day...as for the serial...it might be in the right range...but that (3) is all kinds of sketchy and i would bet the farm it aint original....which puts even more suspicion on the ss dienstglas engraving...scope might be original to the mount...but the saddle is suspect @best....@ least to me...and as i said..I dont really know squat on these.

 

[Dave Roberts]

Georg
You maybe correct . I did overlook the Rifle Number was missing from the Tube . Looking at the Range Markings the 1 is not like others I have in photo files . As for the Numbers being applied incorrectly or opposite direction this is not true look at examples in Roberts Book they are like this dial on this scope in question in fact all are same as this one .Georg your Dial Range Markings are not or should I say text book . Given the Rifle Number is missing from the Tube it could be called suspect and given this fact one could say thats a good reason to suggest passing on it .
Best Regards

I have never been afraid to admit I was mistaken or even wrong , and this is a perfect example why it is always a good idea to post photos at this Forum . More eyes the better given the anomalies .

I would also point out that there is a number of items that have not been text book examples and some have had anomalies that have turned out to period correct . I would also add this is one that may or may not be . I would not consider putting in my collection given the issues pointed out . With the issues mentioned I would not want to say it is good nor bad , it surely in not Text Book Example thats for certain Best Regards

 

[Nigromontanus]

I own 40382, with scale ring engraved the same way as with 40388 and also with Weihrauch mount. Dienstglas engraving on 40388 looks badly made, but I consider whole ensemble original, though with the flaw of missing gun number. 40382 has gun number.

 

[Absolut]

PPP, do you have a picture of the engraving on your heigh adjustment turret? Would love to compare the fonts and how they were written. Pretty sure it will be different.

 

[Nigromontanus]

They are same style. There was more than one engraver. The one on mine and the one on the one shown are from a different engraver than the one who did the job on yours, who made the most

 

[tokarev38]

Ssr

Here is mine for comparison

 

[Nigromontanus]

Yes, this is the second engraver, who started his work randomely in the 37xxx range. There might be even a third, but I have not yet seen an postwar untouched scope by him to be able to give reliable statement.

 

[C.P.Goerz]

I do not like the marking on the elevation housing of scope 40388.the original marking was not hand engraved but was engraved using a pantograph.the pantograph cutter is guided by a engraving template.the pantagraph cutter rotates like a miniature endmill and is flat on the end.the bottom of the engraving will be flat and not a V shape.if you magnify the engraving you will be able to see the endmill type cutting marks.also the engraving was originally cut through the black baked enamel finish and shallowly into the brass.the only difference you will see in the letters are the slight variation in the way the cutter was guided in the template also there can be slips seen where the cutter was dragged across the spaces between the letters.it was sometimes not lifted up enough to clear the paint surface.
the rifle number on the scope tube was done after the fitting of the scope mount to the rifle and was hand engraved.
that worn black nickel finish I suspect is a postwar finish.i have seen it a lot on swede M41b scopes.
most of the European scopes had pantographed markings.the engraved markings when used are usually on preWW1 scopes.very few European prewar scopes used stamped,rollstamp or hand stamp, markings.

 

[Nigromontanus]

Of course you are right about the pantograph thing. But the ensemble bears other signs which are absolutely good. The finish IMO is fully ok, everything is looking period, the ensemble looks like having been together like that for a very long time. The reason why there is no correct Dienstglas marking and gun number I do not know. I think Dienstglas marking was put on by Ajack works. Maybe for some reason they forgot it and guy who put all together noticed and did it himself and in the course of this, because he was so happy that it looked at least a bit good, forgot to put the gun number on it. They made mistakes in wartime, really!