What Would You Do?

pwcosol

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How much is one's reputation worth? Once the difference between a person being honorable or dishonorable was clearly defined. Today it is more like a sliding scale. So, sounds like I have a burr under my saddle, eh? Well, let me present you with a situation which took place only a few hours ago. I am curious to hear how others might have dealt with this and was I foolish not to have compromised my ethics.

Two days ago I was on Ebay and casting a wide net in my search for Rg34s. To my surprise was a listing for a "arr43". There were only four photos but I could see the kit was complete and in excellent condition. The oiler was a blued, side-welded, sheet metal one, RGK was twisted wire with swivel-link, HKW was "arr" and could see "43" on it, so am confident it was "arr43" marked and brushes were nice as well. Auction closing was in four days. The current (only bid) was $1.00. I entered a decent bid and it increased to $1.25, with me top bidder. Now comes the dilemma... until someone else either challenged my bid or contacted the seller in an attempt to cancel the auction and sell it offline, I could not raise my bid. Yesterday evening I became concerned some sleazeball was going to try a "reach-around" if they saw the low bid. I could ask any one of a number of people to help me by making a bid to at least pump it up enough to hopefully prevent this. So, this morning I noticed the kit was still at $1.25. However, a few hours later, when I returned from a doctor's appointment, the item number "could not be found" and I have little doubt what occurred. Now, I could have done the same thing one or two days prior, but with a bid on the kit, it would have been both unethical and violate Ebay policy to do so. As for whomever got that kit, hope it gets lost in shipping!

Therefore, would like to hear what others have to say, were they to find themselves in a similar situation. Isn't like I had to have that kit, but was totally correct and original in every respect...
 
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It has happened to me also. I would consider the seller to be the sleezeball. If the seller doesn't get what he anticipated, he can kill the auction claiming there was an error in the listing. He will then sell it privately or relist it hoping for a better outcome. It is a no win situation.
 
It has happened to me also. I would consider the seller to be the sleezeball. If the seller doesn't get what he anticipated, he can kill the auction claiming there was an error in the listing. He will then sell it privately or relist it hoping for a better outcome. It is a no win situation.
Went to my Ebay account this evening and found a cancellation notice in the message box. You hit the nail right on the head with excuse given. However, via the message, could access the listing and contact the seller. Was able to look at his other, current listings and no Rg34 was to be seen. Then left him with a few thoughts of my own... and snatched the main photo to post here as well.
 

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How much is one's reputation worth? Once the difference between a person being honorable or dishonorable was clearly defined. Today it is more like a sliding scale. So, sounds like I have a burr under my saddle, eh? Well, let me present you with a situation which took place only a few hours ago. I am curious to hear how others might have dealt with this and was I foolish not to have compromised my ethics.

Two days ago I was on Ebay and casting a wide net in my search for Rg34s. To my surprise was a listing for a "arr43". There were only four photos but I could see the kit was complete and in excellent condition. The oiler was a blued, side-welded, sheet metal one, RGK was twisted wire with swivel-link, HKW was "arr" and could see "43" on it, so am confident it was "arr43" marked and brushes were nice as well. Auction closing was in four days. The current (only bid) was $1.00. I entered a decent bid and it increased to $1.25, with me top bidder. Now comes the dilemma... until someone else either challenged my bid or contacted the seller in an attempt to cancel the auction and sell it offline, I could not raise my bid. Yesterday evening I became concerned some sleazeball was going to try a "reach-around" if they saw the low bid. I could ask any one of a number of people to help me by making a bid to at least pump it up enough to hopefully prevent this. So, this morning I noticed the kit was still at $1.25. However, a few hours later, when I returned from a doctor's appointment, the item number "could not be found" and I have little doubt what occurred. Now, I could have done the same thing one or two days prior, but with a bid on the kit, it would have been both unethical and violate Ebay policy to do so. As for whomever got that kit, hope it gets lost in shipping!

Therefore, would like to hear what others have to say, were they to find themselves in a similar situation. Isn't like I had to have that kit, but was totally correct and original in every respect...

Id just buy something else from the seller and leave negative feedback. Resell whatever it is you buy, for me 20 bucks loss is worth the satisfaction knowing that guy had a melt down.
 
At the very least, the seller should have been up front and given you a chance to match another offer. Good sellers know what their item will bring and just let it ride.
 
My guess is he could maximize his profit by selling offline. Have to add, there is a very remote possibility seller closed the auction because of poor response and might truly relist it over the weekend (as it was set to close Sunday a.m.). But as you said, he could have at least notified me if this had been his intent. I left him with this: "I see you canceled this listing due to an error? I think not. But if so, then I expect you will l list it again...yea, right..."
 
I sell on ebay and I avoid this by always doing my research and setting a BIN price based on comps of previously sold items and condition of my item. I price stuff ~15% less than comps and it usually moves.

This is just a scumbag seller. Had same thing happen to me personally in the last few years with BIN auctions where Seller changed mind AFTER I had paid claiming they damaged the item packing it. Ebay cancels the auction and doesnt give me a chance to leave negative feedback in that situation.
 
That auction was cancelled and then re-listed as a "Buy It Now" with "Best Offer" option because of those petty bids.
It was sold on eBay as a "Buy it Now". He had a family member listing it for him and it was changed upon their suggestion
because he/they knew the rarity and the low ball bids were discouraging I'm sure.
I had been watching it too and contacted him immediately when I saw that the post had disappeared and he simply responded that he'd already re-listed it as a BIN item.
He had re-listed the day/evening before I saw his response the next day at lunchtime. I sure need to up my eBay messaging game.
Oddly, there was no "Item re-listed" link from the original ended listing nor was it under "seller's other items" at that time.
I found it yet another 6 or 8 hours later (again, the next day after it was re-listed)) under "seller's other items". So, it was listed a good 24 hours as a BIN item.
How do I know all this? Because I bought it via BIN that next evening, a good 24 hours, after he re-listed it.
To my surprise he called me a couple days after I received it to tell me about it and how long he'd owned it.
I can only assume he/they got my phone number from the eBay shipping information. You sure can't send that nor an email address via eBay messaging. I did not converse with him prior nor was there any unethical reach around.
On the phone he's a very pleasant 86 year old man and he told me he used to collect RG34 kits, among other stuff, because they were affordable back in the day and that
was the only one he'd ever seen with the sheet metal oiler and late war chain in the same kit. He collected G43s as well. All were gone now.
So, don't blame the seller for changing the listing method after bidding a whole "buck and a quarter" for his rare arr43 RG34 kit and don't blame me for simply Buying It Now.
 
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I experienced the same issue because I looked at his other items for sale and under the same category (German WW2 field gear) he listed it under prior and found nothing. I was only able to access the original auction because of the message from Ebay. I also got no notification he had relisted it. If the seller "knew the rarity" then one wonders why he did not have a substantially higher starting bid price. Also wonder just whom put that first bid in for $1.00, because when my bid was cancelled it still showed the first bid as $1.00. I do know when a item is now listed on Ebay (particularly on Sunday), due to high volume traffic and I believe preferential treatment to large-volume sellers, your item may show as being "active" in My EBAY. However, it might not be able to be seen by others for 24-48 hours (and thus the duration of your auction is reduced accordingly). Either way, such are the fortunes of the collector...

As for So, don't blame the seller for changing the listing method after bidding a whole "buck and a quarter" for his rare arr43 RG34 kit and don't blame me for simply Buying It Now.

BTW, did you not consider that perhaps I had a much higher bid than $1.25. on that kit and until someone else bid on it, it was not going to change? I thought of contacting one of my associates to "bump up the price" by putting in a higher bid, thus raising my bid, but rejected it as being dishonorable as well. Since you were watching the auction, why didn't you put in a bid yourself and let the highest bidder prevail? Perhaps you were waiting for the exact opportunity which ultimately transpired...a hand well played.
 
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I experienced the same issue because I looked at his other items for sale and under the same category (German WW2 field gear) he listed it under prior and found nothing. I was only able to access the original auction because of the message from Ebay. I also got no notification he had relisted it. If the seller "knew the rarity" then one wonders why he did not have a substantially higher starting bid price. Also wonder just whom put that first bid in for $1.00, because when my bid was cancelled it still showed the first bid as $1.00. I do know when a item is now listed on Ebay (particularly on Sunday), due to high volume traffic and I believe preferential treatment to large-volume sellers, your item may show as being "active" in My EBAY. However, it might not be able to be seen by others for 24-48 hours (and thus the duration of your auction is reduced accordingly). Either way, such are the fortunes of the collector...

As for So, don't blame the seller for changing the listing method after bidding a whole "buck and a quarter" for his rare arr43 RG34 kit and don't blame me for simply Buying It Now.

BTW, did you not consider that perhaps I had a much higher bid than $1.25. on that kit and until someone else bid on it, it was not going to change? I thought of contacting one of my associates to "bump up the price" by putting in a higher bid, thus raising my bid, but rejected it as being dishonorable as well. Since you were watching the auction, why didn't you put in a bid yourself and let the highest bidder prevail? Perhaps you were waiting for the exact opportunity which ultimately transpired...a hand well played.
I simply thought the same as you--that he had an offer outside eBay, but apparently that wasn't the case. I can't blame him for changing his selling format though--set a price and see what happens with BIN, but accept offers of a reasonable amount.
For the original auction though my plan was to simply slip in a buck fiddy bid in at the very end, close my eyes, and cross my fingers.
 
Thank you for "filling in the blanks" regarding this auction. Once the seller pulled it, then it became open season for anyone to contact him and find out what he might be receptive to. Having been either a buyer or seller on Ebay for 25 years, in my experience, when such situations crop up, the item typically never gets relisted and seller will not respond to inquiries. I also see you stepped up and it can't be said the seller did not get a fair price for the Rg34 either...
 
This kind of shenanigans happens all the time on Gunbroker and Ebay. Just forget about it and move on. Nothing lost except the time you spend getting worked up over it. You arent bidding on life saving medicine or baby formula here, this is supposed to be fun. Something else will come along. Best of luck in your searches!
 
Although I do bid on Ebay items now and then, frankly am fed up with the entire auction scene. For many, auctions today are almost a necessary resource, in enabling them to find collectibles. I am turning away and relying more on networking with people and fellow collectors. If you buy on a website, the final bid price is just the beginning, when one factors in shipping and tax. Even worse are auction houses where, if one is lucky, you pay a 15% buyer premium as well! Ebay is already up to that for the seller. I won't be surprised when the day comes, they start adding a small (to start with) buyer premium as well...
 
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