"Late war" Krieghoffs

[Absolut]

Ryan,
I roughly cleaned it today in a way that it won't get any worse, unless someone is going to dump it again in water. Attached are new pictures I did of it. They show basically all markings that I could find. Note the huge amount of acceptance stamps anywhere to be found. Even the ejector has a small serial atop on it, also safety flag and as I had already mentioned, the takedown lever. The toggle (I think that is the correct English term?) even is serialized on the inside as well as on the very rear, so twice.

 

[Absolut]

Last few pictures. I hope they help, while I know these currently confuse you more than help you establish your theory. But maybe the outcome will profit once you find something that makes sense, including this one.

 

[RyanE]

Appreciate the photos!

Just as an aside, the British Imperial War Museum seems to have MG15 4057-39 and 4058-39 which are apparently HK. They have no pics, but mention one having the HK trademark on it. Assuming that is the case, it seems HK reset their serial numbers to 1 in 1939 when the Luftwaffe introduced the date to the SNs on all MG15s.

 

[Absolut]

I still know a MG15 from an aircraft that is Krieghoff made. Never bothered on MGs, but if you let me know on what I should pay attention to I might somewhen have another chance to..

 

[RyanE]

I still know a MG15 from an aircraft that is Krieghoff made. Never bothered on MGs, but if you let me know on what I should pay attention to I might somewhen have another chance to..

Basically the SN and the acceptance on the right side.

But I have proof I think of the SN change I talked about. Two L.O. Dietrich guns, 21513 from January 1940 and 9280-40 dated June 1940. Seems Dietrich dragged their feet on implementing the Luftwaffe directive, but they definitely reset their SNs sometime during 1940.

 

[phosphateb]

In this video he talks about a gun collection that was ruined by floods.
Same could have happened with this one..!

That collection got ruined by Katrina. It belonged to a former elder in the hobby. They are all spread to the wind again. Will see how collectors can recreate these old collections in the future.

 

[1933 FORD NUT]

Priceless stuff here.

 

[1933 FORD NUT]

We shouldn't have all the fun on the luger site so here are some interesting examples.
Wrong gun . Will fix later

 

[1933 FORD NUT]

Same issue. Wrong gun. Will fix later

 

[1933 FORD NUT]

More pics of the 1936

 

[1933 FORD NUT]

more pics of the 1938

 

[whcoyote]

My naive mind brings up this thought about so many HK pistols with matching mags:
Mauser, DWM & Erfurt (Imperial, the two) P.08s were issued largely to the Army. They were used heavily. Therefore magazines dropped during reloads, swapped during cleanings, etc.
HK P08s were issued to the Luftwaffe. Some airmen carried them into combat in their planes but, how many were used in anger? Therefore far less chance of mags being lost or swapped by mistake.
Perhaps this thinking has a hole in it but, just my thinking.
Also, what percentage of the HK pistols were actually issued.

I do not have the knowledge to comment on fakery or SNs. As far as I got into Krieghoff collecting was buying Gibson’s book…which I intend to sell.