copperlake
Member
Let me jump on my CAD program, a simple 3 axis CNC mill, and I'll be rich! No worries, but it really wouldn't be THAT hard. Just some plain old annealed carbon steel would do fine.
Questionable Rifles at Legacy
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copperlake
Member
Here is the bolt from that 147/S that with your help I found out some things I knew nothing of. Here is the bolt boss showing a set of numbers magnified 200X under a dissecting microscope. Lousy picture because my camera I use died and another I had to hand hold because it did not fit the adaptor I made for the dead one. I'm fixing that. Anyway, I'm interested in this numbering thing! It's obvious the boss, safety and excractor were ground (not machined and my guess is by hand) then renumbered and blued. The cocking piece looks to be a blank, numbered, as there is no grinding. Another interesting to me thing is it seems the numerals were put down from right to left as can be seen by the 7 displacing material into the 3.
I'd really like to get a look at one of these pantographed things. They would have to show fresh tool marks unless, perhaps, a bit of muriatic acid was applied. But that would have some tell-tales, too.
This also raises questions I have about renumbering. If what I have was legitimately a refurbed (for lack of a better term) How does one actually know? Because, these restamped fonts to me do not match those on the receiver.
I'd really like to get a look at one of these pantographed things. They would have to show fresh tool marks unless, perhaps, a bit of muriatic acid was applied. But that would have some tell-tales, too.
This also raises questions I have about renumbering. If what I have was legitimately a refurbed (for lack of a better term) How does one actually know? Because, these restamped fonts to me do not match those on the receiver.
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I used to just shake my head in bewilderment at people who would pay big money for guns or other collectibles that they clearly had done little or no research about, but now I have come to accept that so many people are broke or in debt because they spend even huger amounts of money on even stupider junk. So at least the guy buying an over-priced humped K98 has something he can hold and shoot and isn't worth zero dollars, unlike the crushing interest debt he probably also has. I don't like that it screws up our market, but I guess you can say the same thing about a lot of other things too.
Nowhere011
Junior Member
Wow, the tech to fake fonts is pretty scary! This rampant fakery is why so many newer collectors are hesitant to get into K98k’s.
The best takeaway- always post pics of a perspective rifle here before buying.
The best takeaway- always post pics of a perspective rifle here before buying.
It makes me sick when this crap is sold, regardless of if its a simple GB listing, or high end auction like Rock Island.
Irregardless, the methodology is the same - pushing junk. Hopefully in our small way, this forum can continue to "call them as we see them".
Irregardless, the methodology is the same - pushing junk. Hopefully in our small way, this forum can continue to "call them as we see them".
M1903A3
Keeper of the Def's Head
Agreed, it’s sad when the faked stuff gets over on someone and only afterwards do they think to look for opinions on the authenticity of the gun. In fact, most of the time they aren’t even looking for THAT, they want to know “how they did” or “what can you tell me about my new rifle?”
I hope everyone here that has been around a while continues to scrutinize everything we see, and shares their ideas even if it’s bad news. In order to advance knowledge of the K98 we have to really police the hump jobs.
M1903A3
Keeper of the Def's Head
I’ll say this: at least currently, even stamps made by a CNC machine and then used on a bolt or part now in 2021 are going to be detectable with enough scrutiny, and of course with good photos or better yet in hand. But yes, the CNC capability to generate stamps from actual legit parts is doable today. STAMPING parts with them today and making it PASS for 1945, not so much.
Herk1994
Senior Member
We take care of each other here. This forum is really one of the last hopes for honest 98k collecting. Unfortunately, it’s only natural that we don’t reach out to everyone, that’d be impossible. But we can reach out to those we can, and assist each other. We can also recommend people to the forum, and although growth isn’t always good in every aspect, for the most part at least some people will find some actual informative content that negates such purchase stupidity, and maybe these d-bag sellers chomping at the bit to make a dishonest buck will be stuck with the floating turds.
There’s a reason all 4 of my 98k’s have come from members of this forum, right out of the trader. I trust vetted members here to the point I’d be glad to have a beer with any of them if I could. Long story short, we are the 98k collector community, as we know it. There are others out there yes, but as for the web, this is the best of the best. Legacy is not, they are only interested in money. Should that mean selling their soul for a buck, then so be it. That’s why I have no respect for Legacy Tom and his cucks in sales.
There’s a reason all 4 of my 98k’s have come from members of this forum, right out of the trader. I trust vetted members here to the point I’d be glad to have a beer with any of them if I could. Long story short, we are the 98k collector community, as we know it. There are others out there yes, but as for the web, this is the best of the best. Legacy is not, they are only interested in money. Should that mean selling their soul for a buck, then so be it. That’s why I have no respect for Legacy Tom and his cucks in sales.
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DaveDavis
Senior Member
Again, with ALL THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE , both publicly and privately, to vet potential buys, there is absolutely NO VALID reason for anyone willing to do just a little work, to be able avoid these expensive pitfalls, and / or dishonest dealers.
FOOLS AND THEIR MONEY ARE, AS ALWAYS, SOON PARTING WAY.
If they are happy getting screwed then so be it !!!!!
I mean look at this crap and tell me any reasonable person would bid on it....
FOOLS AND THEIR MONEY ARE, AS ALWAYS, SOON PARTING WAY.
If they are happy getting screwed then so be it !!!!!
I mean look at this crap and tell me any reasonable person would bid on it....
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nosbocaj
Member
Yeah as a newer collector I refuse to buy unless it's from the trader. There's nothing better than knowing you're in safe community where everybody looks out for each other to preserve these beautiful pieces of history. That and I still don't know enough to be dangerous with GB, auction, or gun show rifles...even with all volumes of the books and collecting for more than a year now.
heavy_mech
RKI- Reasonably Knowledgable Individual
Jeezus! $2k for THAT?? It's a perfect example of 'what's wrong with this thing' for newer guys because there's plenty. Insane.
