S/42 1937 Laminated 6040w

[pzjgr]

It should come off fairly easy....I would strip it off carefully and gently, that would probably reveal a lot of detail. That sort of finish (or poly) really seems to cover up markings. Plus if you have perused this forum a bit, like you said, you know that to collectors, that sort of finish is a big no-go...really, unless you ae actually planning to carry it in lots of adverse weather, there is no reason to put anything on the stock, except maybe some Howards on it.

There should be lots of threads regarding stock finishes here, do a search and you'll get tons of input...hard to say on anything without good, clear pics, verbal descriptions tend to be problematic....

 

[Funkel]

It should come off fairly easy....I would strip it off carefully and gently, that would probably reveal a lot of detail. That sort of finish (or poly) really seems to cover up markings. Plus if you have perused this forum a bit, like you said, you know that to collectors, that sort of finish is a big no-go...really, unless you ae actually planning to carry it in lots of adverse weather, there is no reason to put anything on the stock, except maybe some Howards on it.

There should be lots of threads regarding stock finishes here, do a search and you'll get tons of input...hard to say on anything without good, clear pics, verbal descriptions tend to be problematic....

I do take it out n shoot it quite alot , Whats howards? i'll have a go at gently peelin it off. I haven't quite worked out the whole setup of this site but i'll del most posts on here n try work out where they should go, cheers for the input.

 

[pzjgr]

I wouldn't worry about deleting posts or anything....just go to the box in the upper right corner with the magnifying glass and type in "stock finish"...that should bring up a raft of threads discussing cleaning and finishing stocks properly. There probably is no "right" answer, everyone seems to have some differing opinions, so the best thing to do is research, learn about different approaches, then use the one that works for you and the gun.

One thing you DON'T want to do is touch it with any sort of sandpaper/abrasive...thats a big mistake....just mainly you want to get rid of all the true oil, and get it back to bare wood as much as possible. Then there are several approaches to "finishing" from there.

Howards is a product called Howards Feed and Wax is a product that is a blend of Bee's wax, carnauba wax, and orange oil...its very "mild", many guys swear by a light coating to help add a little moisture, and to protect the wood....but some guys even disagree on that. a lot of it depends on the gun itself. The less you do the better, so if its a really minty, from the factory floor gun, with an untouched stock, most guys would do nothing but wipe it down well.

IMHO, on something like yours which is pretty well thrashed, stripping back to bare wood, and a good coat of Howards wll be far better than leaving the tru-oil on. Oh, and don't do any of that crazy stick it in a dishwasher stuff, thats just bad news on any stock....

ETA Here is a link to Howards... http://www.howardproducts.com/prod-feed-n-wax.php

 

[Funkel]

I wouldn't worry about deleting posts or anything....just go to the box in the upper right corner with the magnifying glass and type in "stock finish"...that should bring up a raft of threads discussing cleaning and finishing stocks properly. There probably is no "right" answer, everyone seems to have some differing opinions, so the best thing to do is research, learn about different approaches, then use the one that works for you and the gun.

One thing you DON'T want to do is touch it with any sort of sandpaper/abrasive...thats a big mistake....just mainly you want to get rid of all the true oil, and get it back to bare wood as much as possible. Then there are several approaches to "finishing" from there.

Howards is a product called Howards Feed and Wax is a product that is a blend of Bee's wax, carnauba wax, and orange oil...its very "mild", many guys swear by a light coating to help add a little moisture, and to protect the wood....but some guys even disagree on that. a lot of it depends on the gun itself. The less you do the better, so if its a really minty, from the factory floor gun, with an untouched stock, most guys would do nothing but wipe it down well.

IMHO, on something like yours which is pretty well thrashed, stripping back to bare wood, and a good coat of Howards wll be far better than leaving the tru-oil on. Oh, and don't do any of that crazy stick it in a dishwasher stuff, thats just bad news on any stock....

ETA Here is a link to Howards... http://www.howardproducts.com/prod-feed-n-wax.php

Haa, cheers don't have a dishwasher, n yeah certainly wasn't goona touch it with the sandpaper(Love the battle scars). It was just when i got it i was unsure about leaving it raw. Turns out i shouldn't have jumped in to smearing oil on it. I never even knew laminated stocks were so early. It wasn't till i got it home i realised how different it looked. Was in a rush when i picked it up. Thanks for the link. I'll c how i go with the new pics w/no oil shine blocking the view. Definately a ''L'' on the stock tho, just seems to get more interesting from a possible R/C. Do u know what these early Lams w/bolt mm go for on average? Not sure if i got ripped. Paid $500 for it that sound bout right?

 

[Funkel]

Luftwaffe ''L'' on 1937 S/42 W Laminated stock

Ok,here's some pics of the faint Luftwaffe ''L'' and Eagle stamp. There's actually the imprint of a second stamp on bottom right of the print eagle u can just see a faint outline of the wings, whats the deal with that? I also found a cursive script L in the sling slot? And a large carved L which i orig thought was a scratch next to it are 3 L's carved to form a swastika? By the base of stock. Looks bit like Mercedes Benz logo or Aeroplane Propeller? Is this a Luft squadron thing? Has anyone come across this before? Cant beleive its all been staring me in the face this whole time. Another thing i noticed on gunboards.com post is: Looking for a K98 expert.
It's Another Luft 1937 S/42 y series, serial 6525 with lam stock had it's lower band around wrong way like mine so the front sling loop is on the right instead of left? The guy mentioned it was like that when he took it apart also his is a bolt m/m? I found that very interesting because Mine is also like this! I was going to put it round the other way but there's a large shrapnel chunk which suggests it was like that during the war. Could this be a Luftwaffe thing did they have to put it on their left shoulder for some reason? Perhaps Paratroop jumping or something? Cheers.

 

[Funkel]

Ok,here's some pics of the faint Luftwaffe ''L'' and Eagle stamp. There's actually the imprint of a second stamp on bottom right of the print eagle u can just see a faint outline of the wings, whats the deal with that? I also found a cursive script L in the sling slot? And a large carved L which i orig thought was a scratch next to it are 3 L's carved to form a swastika? By the base of stock. Looks bit like Mercedes Benz logo or Aeroplane Propeller? Is this a Luft squadron thing? Has anyone come across this before? Cant beleive its all been staring me in the face this whole time. Another thing i noticed on gunboards.com post is: Looking for a K98 expert.
It's Another Luft 1937 S/42 y series, serial 6525 with lam stock had it's lower band around wrong way like mine so the front sling loop is on the right instead of left? The guy mentioned it was like that when he took it apart also his is a bolt m/m? I found that very interesting because Mine is also like this! I was going to put it round the other way but there's a large shrapnel chunk which suggests it was like that during the war. Could this be a Luftwaffe thing did they have to put it on their left shoulder for some reason? Perhaps Paratroop jumping or something? Cheers.

Ok, here's an update. the blood smell won't go away! Also i was recently in the Netherlands and Germany and spotted a dummy with a k98 which also had the swivel sling loop on the rear. So i asked the museum bloke and Apparently this Lefty setup, was for early fallschirmjager para jumps, something to do with how they jump needing their right hand? Till they ceased jumping with rifles of course. I Have also since seen it in old videos of early fallschirmjager jumps. May be interesting to find out a bit more. I have now seen 2 other orig rifles with this swivel sling loop on the rear. It could also just be personal preferance, i guess i wouldn't wanna carry a 50kg box of ammo etc with my left either! Doing some research on 16th fallschirmjager regt. and Australians fighting in Europe and turns out 16th fallsrm regt. fought against 1st Canadian army several times in which some Australians were included.In early 1945, it fought in the Battle of the Reichswald, This is one battle where the Australians fought as part of the Canadian first army and the most likely way this rifle ended up in Australia. Was definately an old war bring back as it has no import marks. Was interesting researching but of course i'll never know for sure.

 

[Funkel]

Well, a couple of things I would point out...it looks like your stock is really shiny...not sure if is some sort of oil, or if its been shellac'ed or Poly'd or something. I would think about carefully removing that finish, that would probably help a lot....

That oil ended up mainly soaking in nicely, it don't look too bad now.

 

[KKW22cal]

I have a S/42 laminate as well. It has seen some use but it matches.

 

[a j s]

I"ve had this matching 1937 v suffix since 1974.kkw 22cal yours also appears to be a v block.Is it true laminates first appeared in the v suffix

 

[KKW22cal]

Mine is a v block as well, I will have to look in the K98k to see what it states. This is only one of four K89k's that I own.

 

[Funkel]

I have a S/42 laminate as well. It has seen some use but it matches.

Nice one mate. Looks good.

 

[Funkel]

I"ve had this matching 1937 v suffix since 1974.kkw 22cal yours also appears to be a v block.Is it true laminates first appeared in the v suffixView attachment 110180View attachment 110181View attachment 110182View attachment 110183View attachment 110184View attachment 110185

This is a .22? If so Awesome!

 

[KKW22cal]

My handle KKW22cal is because the KKW's are my favorite type of rifle but I collect all sorts of .22 cal training rifles. My 1937 K98k is not a .22. I picked it up 12 years ago. I thought that such an early rifle could have traveled a lot, if only the rifle could speak and I understood German, there could be some interesting stories to hear.

 

[Funkel]

Here's an Update on my $500 score Luft issue matching Lam stock S/42 y series.

When I first Bought this rifle here in Australia bout it 3-4 years ago I was excited and wanted to protect it and smeared a natural oil on it, but the oil took ages to soak in and even out so it looked horribly shiny. Looks a lot better now. It was sold to me as an possible Russian Capture for $500. Yet after joining this forum and a bit of research i realised i'd scored a Matching stock Early Luftwaffe issue Lam stock, It has an Armoury replaced bolt, No cleaning rod or sling, Band spring unmarked and Lower band Waf marked 623. Took me about 6 months to find the Luft L and so many other Stamps I still can't find out much on, Mr Farbs has recently moved my Bolt markings help, to the appropriate section. He did mention it's an armourors bolt. Check it out http://www.k98kforum.com/showthread.php?20162-Help-with-explanation-of-bolt-markings&p=136196 But More interestingly I found a Skull and an X bones crossed rifles swords or something similar below it, very strange, there's a Luft or Waf amt waa 63 above it. I personally think the ss got this rifle at some stage (I can dream but check out the pics), It has swivel sling loops which someone suggested are post war add on. But did ss volunteer units use different slings I wonder? I think this rifle being complete was a possible Aussie vet bring back maybe the loops were added here in Australia I have no idea, looks like a half decent job on the Front sling the rear one is a bit of a rush Job no marks. Anyone feel free to chime in with any ideas i'm stumped I received a message stating the size and location would be appropriate for an ss acquired rifle but no ss runes on Barrel etc. I'm looking for any idea's what so ever, so if i'm imagining a skull and x let me know , but there's certainly something there. The Large L and 3 armed swastika carved into the stock is interesting also. I noticed there are 2 ss units that used such a division symbol An east European Caucus volunteer division which is actually 3 horses heads, and the other being 26th ss division (Curved 3 arm swastika). Otw Perhaps it's an Aeroplane prop being Luftwaffe issue, There is a large carved L next to it. I would like to know if it's been rebarreled i'm sure it was re-issued several times. The serial matches up top but under has o184. It's still very accurate in this condition probably why it were re issued over and over. Cheers. As I said chime in with any Ideas. All I want is info.

 

[Funkel]

Here's a couple other pics

There's an odd 12 mark on barrel and one on the stock in front of floor plate. I'd also like to know if anyone has seen the L in the sling cutout on the stock On an other Luft or Lam stocks? (L for Laminate possibly, or Luftwaffe?) There appears to be a small F in top left of the pic hard to see I need to take another pic, it could also be a 7 up the other way.

 

[Aaron]

What is the earliest reported laminate stocks used in 1937? I have a S/42 1937 K block, SN 2574 that came with a laminate stock that was sporterized. The buttplate was also taken off and the rear of the stock sanded, so I can provide no info on when the stock was made besides the year and block of the rifle it was installed on, it mounts a 10 inch cleaning rod since there is no nut at the area that would have a 12.5 inch rod.

The action is early enough that it has all three receiver proofs as Weimar eagles.