1871/84 production numbers

Warrior1354

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Bought a extremely nice model 1871/84 Mauser yesterday in Indy. Its a neat piece because it was made in 1888 the same year the commission rifle was adopted. I was wondering how many of these rifles were production in 1888? Plus I have never seen an 1888 model before. Hoping too get the rifle cleaned up a little bit and get it posted here soon. Like I said the piece is a looker. Also the rifle was not an import piece either but a bring-back item by an Army Captain who was in Army Intelligence during the war. He passed away in the early 90s at the age of 90 so he wasn't a young officer during the war either.
 
Congrats on your new 71/84. I too have a like new condition 1888 Amberg that I like to shoot. Hope you get to shoot yours, I'm sure you will like it.
As for your question I too would nlike more prduction information, hope someone here can help.
 
Congrats on yours too they sure are nice rifles. Plus its neat too have the background on mine too. Just wonder where he found that rifle at. It does explain no bring-back papers or duffle cut when your high ranking officer seems like you don't have too. Plus he sent home a MP40 too along with other things. :biggrin1:
 
John Walter does give a few numbers, I believe Kaiserzeit did a few superficial articles on the 71 & 71/84, Götz probably covered it somewhat also. But you would have to get someone with Storz book to give totals, assuming he offered any. I do not have his 71 or 71/84 book, but some here do. Cyrus perhaps?

I generally only follow G88 through the Modell98 variations, never owned an earlier German military rifle and keep shoddy records on variations earlier than the G88.

Give it some time, Cyrus and other experienced collectors may be able to help, but I have little to offer unfortunately.
 
Storz says estimated total production 1.1 million. Problem is lack of records; projections based on Waffenetats and surviving inventories are what he uses. I see online and at shows survivng 71/84s turning up in the following order of occurrence: Spandau, Amberg, Danzig, Erfurt, Mauser.
BTW, the only frontline combat for the 71/84 in German service was during the Boxer Rebellion when they were used by ships' company KM personnel from ships on station in China.
 
Wow kind of hard to believe how they were able to make so many of those rifles in that year. And at the same time tooling up for the Gew88 rifle and carbine production. A incredible feat to say the least. And thanks for the info on this subject WaPrüf2. If you need any special info on my rifle for your research like Paul does for his Gew98 research. Let me know and I'll do what I can too help.
 
Sorry about that I misunderstood you. Is there anyway too know how many were produced just in the year of 1888 or that record been lost too time?
 
BobT and I have decided that it will be worthwhile to begin a research thread on the M71 & 71/84, it will be made a stickie today or tomorrow.

I will type out all the rifles I have recorded, which is very few, about 30 altogether (15 of each roughly) and it is hoped that others will report their rifles, which I will add to the first post. I am not sure what is important on these, what should be recorded, but will start with date-maker-serial. If CB or others have an interest in some other feature, I am open to recommendations.

This will be work in progress of course, but as collectors report their rifles and I come across them on auction sites, I will add the data and over time, I have learned, you can gather quite a bit of data. Especially if several collectors are actively involved.
 
BobT and I have decided that it will be worthwhile to begin a research thread on the M71 & 71/84, it will be made a stickie today or tomorrow.

I will type out all the rifles I have recorded, which is very few, about 30 altogether (15 of each roughly) and it is hoped that others will report their rifles, which I will add to the first post. I am not sure what is important on these, what should be recorded, but will start with date-maker-serial. If CB or others have an interest in some other feature, I am open to recommendations.

This will be work in progress of course, but as collectors report their rifles and I come across them on auction sites, I will add the data and over time, I have learned, you can gather quite a bit of data. Especially if several collectors are actively involved.

With respect to both the M71 and M71/84 you need to record the dates of manufacture and of issue if the latter is present and unit markings and location thereof (buttplate tang or across buttplate rear face) to include any cancelled markings.
With respect to the M71 you need to decide if you are going to limit the listing to the G71 alone or include and differentiate among the K71, B71 and Gendarmerie K78.
With respect to the M71/84 you need to decide if you are going to limit to the G71/84 or include and differentiate the B71/84.
To make sure everybody is on the same wavelength you may wish to include a photo of each version.
Recommend you format the list along the lines of the list of Reichsrevolver holster makers I maintain on Still's Forum; i.e. one or two editors maintain an integrated list so that one is not chasing thru innumerable posts to find data. Suggested hierarchy something like this: Heading: G71. (photo of G71). Alphabetical list of makers with data entered in proper order (SN, date(s) unit marking(s). under each. Submissions to be made in any sequence privately or publicly but all data summarised in one place and readily accessible.
Lots of work initially but relatively easy to keep up. Note on the example list on Still's the mechanism for indicating latest updates.
If data not available (online listers frequently don't indicate unit markings) recommend use of n/a in place thereof = not available.

Lesson learned from Still's style listing: Should have recorded holster model plus unit markings when initiated; problem was initial list from printed source did not include such data.

Have fun!

Later:

Additional data to be recorded if applicable: Cutaway
Prototype (describe)
Factory experimental or developmental (describe)

With respect to unit markings: Indicate an italic or script letter by setting off in parentheses. Unit markings only useful if the SN on the buttplate matches the receiver SN. In some cases (especially K71s) the pieces are prone to sporterizing and losing their unit markings in the process in which case indicate as: n/a. On an unaltered piece if there are no unit markings present specify as: none.

"The devil is in the details."


All of this should be formalized at the beginning of the listing to assure the uniformity of the data submitted.
 
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BobT and I have decided that it will be worthwhile to begin a research thread on the M71 & 71/84, it will be made a stickie today or tomorrow.

I will type out all the rifles I have recorded, which is very few, about 30 altogether (15 of each roughly) and it is hoped that others will report their rifles, which I will add to the first post. I am not sure what is important on these, what should be recorded, but will start with date-maker-serial. If CB or others have an interest in some other feature, I am open to recommendations.

This will be work in progress of course, but as collectors report their rifles and I come across them on auction sites, I will add the data and over time, I have learned, you can gather quite a bit of data. Especially if several collectors are actively involved.

Be very interesting what you guys come up with Paul if there is any way I can help please let me know. I did post my 1888 71/84 rifle yesterday with a bunch of pictures and info if that helps.
 
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