SS Contract and Single Rune serial study

mrfarb

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I'll probably hate myself for doing this, but I'm ready to redo the SS contract and Single rune study we had from Gunboards. HOWEVER, this one will be different- for this one, I will need this info : serial (and location) Code/year (large or small font), barrel code/ final waffenamt. If matched, I am noting the placement of the serial on either triggerguard or floorplate, and if bands are numbered I'm stating as much. This is just for you guys to be able to spot the trend I have seen.

For ALL bnz44 single runes reported, I MUST have photos. To be Frank, I think they are all Ukrainian boosted. I have my reasons, and this study should help clarify these misunderstood Steyr versions. RC rifles are WELCOMED and ENCOURAGED, they still hold a lot of info re barrel codes and serial placement (rcr/bbl).

I'll dig mine out and put them here, but feel free to respond to this thread with yours. As I build the thread, I will attach it to the sticky above concerning these.

Also, I'm arranging these by barrel code, not by serial! This will be very telling as it develops- I've done this research myself, but wanted to do it on the forum for all to see what I have seen. If you can, try to report it in this format to make it easier for me to cut/paste the info.

Notes:
1. Non Steyr barrels marked in RED and placed by bbl code/features
2. Not annotated, but matching rifles have numbered bolt and safety only for single rune and SS Contract, Army contract have all bolt parts numbered unless "late serial" notation
3. Hand stamp guns in BLUE
4. Much of this information was painstakingly collected by SimsonSuhl and Vaughn099 and loaned to me for research. If any info in this thread is to be used for publication, please contact me so I can give the proper credit to those whom it is due. Thanks!


SS Contracts (with Single Runes added in BOLD)

693 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) 81 (CircleW) Bö
1936 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) 89 (CircleW) Bö (un-inspected Radom receiver)
1728 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) 5 (Bullseye) ? (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
2464 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) 5 (bullseye) Ru E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
4463 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) 106 (CircleW) Ru (RC, rune appears legit)
5212 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) ? (CircleW) Bö (RC, rune appears legit)
6818(rcr) bnz43 rune (small) 41 (bullseye) Ru E/623 (RC)
7331 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) (CircleW) Ru E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
4013 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) aa (bullseye) ? E/623 (tguard serialed, bands missing)
3882 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) ab (bullseye) ? (RC)
9650 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) af (bullseye) Bö (RC, rune ?)
2521 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) ah (bullseye) Bö (RC, rune? no photo)
2852 (rcr) bnz43 (big) ah (bullseye) Bö E/623(tguard/bands serialed)(odd to have bands numbered on this one)
9257 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) ah (bullseye) Bö (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)bolt m/m
7325 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) al bnz/shield E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
8345 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) ak bnz/shield E/623 (RC, rune appears legit)
8642 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) ak bnz/shield E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)e/623 wrist
7644 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) am bnz/shield E/623 (stock e/623) [blank rr](tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
1442 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) aq E/623 (RC)
413 (rcr) bnz 43 (big) as E/623 (tguard serialed)
3382 (rcr) bnz43 (big) aw bnz/shield E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
6596 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) ax bnz/shield e/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
6489 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) ay bnz/shield E/623 Bö
7274 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) ay bnz/shield E/623 Bö (tguard serialed, sporter stock
5489 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) az E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
8687 (rcr) bnz43 rune (big) bb e/623 (RC, Rune?)
5078 (rcr) bnz42 rune (small) bc e/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
3294 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) bc e/623 (tguard serialed, bands replaced)
9709 (rcr) bnz43 (big) bc e/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
5689 (rcr) bnz43 (big) bf E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
3013 (rcr) bnz43 (big) bj E/623 (RC)
5936 (rcr) bnz43 (big) bl E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
7160 (rcr) bnz43 (big) bl E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
227 (rcr) bnz43 (big) bm E/623) (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
2509 (rcr) bnz43 (big) bo E/623
3504 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) bt bnz/shield E/623
5949 (rcr) bnz43 (big) bu E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
7143 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) bv bnz/shield E/623 (tguard serialed, no additional info/sporterized)
8043 (rcr) bnz43 (big) bv E/623
6757 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) bw E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
4736 (bbl) bnz43 (big) by E/623 (sporter rescue)
1869 (rcr) bnz43 (big) ce E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
5578 (rcr) bnz43 (big) ce E/623 (RC) (no firing proof)
7148 (rcr) bnz4 rune (small) ce E/623 (bands unserialed, fplate serialed)
4590 (rcr) bnz4 rune (small) cf E/623 (fplate serialed/bands unserialed)
5910 (rcr) bnz4 rune (small) cf E/623 (bands, fplate, tguard serialed)
7072 (rcr) bnz43 rune (Astrawerke) cf E/623 (fplate serialed/bands unserialed)(no firing proof)
7202 (rcr) bnz43 rune (Astrawerke) cf E/623 (fplate serialed/tguard serialed, bands serialed){e/623 wrist}
8057 (rcr) bnz4 rune (small) cf E/623 (fplate serialed/bands unserialed)(no firing proof)
5710 (rcr) bnz43 rune (small) dC bnz/shield E/623
321 (rcr) bnz4 rune (small) MO supplied bbl (incomplete data)
1467 (rcr) bnz4 rune (small) 43 R 287 E/135 (fplate serialed, unserialed bands)
2868 (rcr) bnz4 rune (small) BT dot/13 E/63 (RC)
7547 (rcr) bnz4 rune (small) avk Ab (double claw) No Eagle H
9095 (rcr) bnz4 rune (small) EB dot/13 E/63 (matched bolt/floorplate/replaced stock/replaced bands)
9510 (rcr) bnz4 rune (small) EK dot/13 E/63 (RC)
serial moved to barrel
201 (bbl) bnz43 (big) CE ct E/37 E/37 (no other info reported)
560 (bbl) bnz43 (big)ch 93882 cyw/shield E/140 (fplate serialed, restored sporter)
889 (bbl) bnz43 (big) 44 D ?(no other info reported)(RC)
926 (bbl) bnz43 (big) DS dou. e/A80 x 2(fplate serialed/bands replaced)
1206 (bbl) bnz43 (big) avk Ao E/13(fplate serialed/bands unserialed)
1924 (bbl) bnz43 (big) 44 D 4 2 3 E/135 (no other info reported)
6240 (bbl) bnz43 (big)? cyw/shield E/140
8845 (bbl) bnz43 [blank] (big) avk Bc E/13(fplate serialed/bands unserialed) No Eagle H
9840 (bbl) bnz43 (big) FA E/63 dot/13 shield
6625 (bbl) bnz44 (big) bz e/623 (bbl serial, fplate serialed, bands unserialed) No Eagle H ?
1638 (bbl) bnz43 (big) cc E/623 (RC, suspected fake rune)
5287 (bbl) bnz43 (big) cj E/623 (fplate serialed, bands unseriealed) No Eagle H
7306 (bbl) bnz43 (big) cs E/623 (rc)
6392 (bbl) bnz44 (big) cy E/623 (vet bringback)
6595 (bbl) bnz43 e/623 (big) cz E/623 (fplate numbered/bands unserialed) Eagle H (transition rifle - bolt mm)
6545 (bbl) bnz43 [rr V7] (big) Dc E/623 (fplate numbered/bands missing(sporterized)
2497 (bbl) bnz 4 e/77 e/623 (small) DE e/623 (fplate/bands serialed)EagleH
3351 (bbl) bnz44 e/623 (big) DE E/623 (fplate/bands serialed) Eagle H
4692 (bbl) bnz44 [e/623] (big) DE E/623 (fplate numbered/bands missing(sporterized) Eagle H
4332 (bbl) bnz44 [blank] (big) DF E/623 (fplate numbered/bands missing(sporterized)
4670 (bbl) bnz44 [blank] (big) DF E/623 (fplate/bands serialed) No Eagle H
7081 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DG E/623 (fplate numbered/restored sporter)
115 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DH E/623 (fplate/bands serialed)
1931 (bbl) bnz4 rune (small) DH E/623 (fplate/bands serialed)
2048 (bbl) bnz44 [e/623] (big) DH E/623 (fplate/bands serialed)
6680 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DH E/623 (fplate numbered/bands unserialed?)
1524 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DL E/623 (fplate numbered, bands serialed)
2423 (bbl) bnz44 [ e/623] (big) DL E/623 (fplate numbered/sporterized)
2453 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DL e/623 (fplate, bands serialed)
1675 (bbl) bnz4 rune (small) DQ E/623 (fplate/bands serialed)
2414 (bbl) bnz4 rune (small) DQ E/623 (fplate/bands serialed)
2684 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DQ E/623 (?/bands serialed) Albanian import
2719 (bbl) bnz4 rune (small) DQ E/623 (fplate/bands serialed)
3586 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DQ E/623 (fplate/bands serialed)
8717 (bbl) bnz44 [rr V7] (big) DQ e/623 (fplate serialed, bands missing(sporterized)
6456 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DR E/623
5940 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DW e/623 (fplate serialed, bands unserialed (probably replaced))
7623 (bbl) bcd4/bnz4 rune (hand stamp)DW E/623
7887 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DW E/623
4901 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DX E/623 (fplate numbered, bands numbered, blank bolt)
4909 (bbl) bnz44 (big) DZ E/623 (fplate numbered/no other info)
8000 (bbl) bnz4 rune (small) DZ E/623
8847 (bbl) bcd4 rune (no bnz) DZ E/623
9414 (bbl) bnz44 (big) EN E/623 (fplate numbered/ no info on bands)

bnz43/bnz4/bnz44 Army Contract (this section is being built for comparison to Single Rune and SS Contract production)

bnz 1943
7460 a bnz43 68 (bullseye W logo) Ru e/623
2357 b bnz43 5 (bullseye W logo) NE e/623
2689 d bnz43 5 (bullseye W logo) Rö e/623
2768 h bnz43 81 (bullseye W logo) *
7123 k bnz43 ah (bullseye W logo) e/623 (RC)
7039 l bnz43 ah bnz/1 shield e/623
3159 m bnz43 au bnz/1 shield e/623 (RC)
719 n bnz43 af bnz/1 shield e/623
7901 n bnz43 az bnz/1 shield e/623 (RC)
3867 q bnz43 bh bnz/1 shield e/623
9061 s bnz43 bv bnz/1 shield e/623 (RC)
9918 t bnz43 bh bnz/1 shield e/623 (RC)
5207 u bnz43 bc bnz/1 shield e/623 (RC)
bnz 1944
2589 a (rec) bnz 4 [e/77 e/623] (small) cc E/623 {top WaA623}
5069 a (rec) bnz 4 (small) ch E/623
7518 a (rec) bnz 4 (small) 43 R 287 E/135
96 b (rec) bnz 4 (small) 43 R 270 E/135
2518 b (rec) bnz 4 (small) cc E/623
3426 b (rec) bnz 4 (small) EC dot/13 E/63
5359 b (rec) bnz 4 (small) BC dot/13 E/63
6629 b (rec) bnz 4 (small)1944? MO bbl
serial moved to barrel
2808 d (bbl) bnz 4 (small) avk bbl (no other info) (single claw)
3995 d (bbl) bnz 4 (small) ch92950 dlv/shield bbl(single claw)
6678 d (bbl) bnz 4 (small) ch92950 dlv/shield bbl
5974 e (bbl) bnz 4 (small) avk AS
7568 e (bbl) bnz 4 (small) ce cy E/37
372 f (bbl) bnz 4 (small) FA dot/13 E/63
2326 f (bbl) bnz 4 (small) ch93902 44 dlv/shield bbl
2709 f (bbl) bnz 4 (small) bc E/623 (odd bnz/1 shield) (RC)
3273 f (bbl) bnz 4 (small) bc E/623 (RC)
4506 f (bbl) bnz 4 (small) ch93902 44 dlv/shield bbl
92 g (bbl) bnz 4 (small) ch93199 (44 dlv/shield bbl)
1081 g (bbl) bnz 4 (small) ce df E/37
2122 g (bbl) bnz 4 (small) ce E/37
2330 g (bbl) bnz 4 (small) ce dg E/37
2936 g (bbl) bnz 4 (small) ce db E/37
8156 g (bbl) bnz 4 (small) Dc e/623
1151 h (bbl) bnz 4 (small) avk Bc (no other info)
6629 h (bbl) bnz 4 (small) 44 D270 E/135(no other info)
2631 i (bbl) bnz 4 (small) MA bnz/shield E/623
3356 i (bbl) bnz 4 (small) cc E/623
4734 i (bbl) bnz 4 (small) avk Bi (no other info)
4832 i (bbl) bnz 4 (small) by E/623
4934 i (bbl) bnz 4 (small) avk Az E/13
5454 i (bbl) bnz 4 (small) cv E/623 (single rune sight base)
9127 i (bbl) bnz 4 (small) ci E/623
8278 j (bbl) bnz 4 (small) DT E/623
1973 k (bbl) bnz 4 (small) DR E/623
4473 k (bbl) bnz 4 (small) DE E/623
8958 k (bbl) bnz 44 (big) DQ E/623
4035 l (bbl) DX E/623 (bcd4 receiver, no bnz markings)
5978 l (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DM E/623 (bcd4 receiver, RC)
7409 l (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DN E/623 (bcd4 receiver, RC)
7785 l (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DL E/623 (bcd4 receiver)
8501 l (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DQ E/623 (bcd4 receiver, RC)
8650 l (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DX E/623 (bcd4 receiver, RC)
8737 l (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DN E/623 (bcd4 receiver)
1098 m (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DL E/623 (E/359 receiver, RC)
1592 m (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DW E/623 (bsw armorers spare receiver, RC)
3368 m (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DY E/623 (E/359 receiver, numbered stock, bands, tguard assy)
5267 m (bbl) bnz 4 (small) DY E/623 (fully numbered parts)
6197 m (bbl) bnz 4 (small)
7492 m (bbl) bnz 44 (big) EA E/623 (numbered saftey, sporterized restoration)
8858 m (bbl) bnz 4 (small) EB E/623 (late style-unserialed stock, bands, tguard assy)
5029 n (bbl) bnz 44 (big) EF E/623 (late styel-unserialed bands, tguard assy)
6527 n (bbl) bnz 44 (big) ED E/623 (late style-unserialed small parts)
8570 n (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DN E/623 (S/42G receiver, late style-unserialed stock, bands, tguard assy)
9258 n (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DY E/623 (duv 42 receiver, RC)
9302 n (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DY E/623 (byf 41 receiver, RC)
9393 n (bbl) bnz (handstamp) DL E/623 (ce 43 receiver, mismatched)
1761 q (bbl) bnz 44 (big)




Below are rifles I need a bbl code for to insert into the study:

8760 (rcr) bnz 43(big) (not reported) (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)

I have taken the liberty of interspersing the SS Contract and Single Rune rifles together based on barrel code/features. I'd like to point out that I am doing this to establish a trend, the trend that seems to show the link between the two. Also, I am placing the non-Steyr barrels in the same general barrel code vicinity as Army contract guns (ie after cc code) and also arranged them by features. While it looks very complicated, I know what I am looking for. One downside is barrel codes are NOT consistent identifiers for production sequence- rather, this is a way to establish general patterns. You are always going to have some strays, but the majority will follow the pattern. I base this on my bnz45 barrel code studies, assuming the same patterns can/will exist just 5-6 months earlier for the same manufacturer.
 
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Okey dokey...here it is....

bnz 43 Large Font, s/n 3382

Stock and handguard are both red glue lam, s/n in channel, otherwise unmarked

Barrel - FP, E/623, AW, bnz over 1 in shield

Upper band - speedmilled, unmarked

Lower Band - milled unmarked

Receiver - Left - FP, 3382; Top - bnz 43; Right - unmarked

TG - Stamped, E/135, 3382

Floorplate - stamped, E/135

Rear sight leaf - 3382, E/77

Rear sight guide (ramp) - 3382, E/77

Rear sight sleeve - E/77 (2)

Bolt Body - 3382, E/77

Safety - 3382

Pretty much everything is unmarked
 
Thanks Pzjgr, the list is coming along. You will be able to see patterns between SS contract and Rune guns- i would just lump them together, but I'll keep them apart for now until the patterns show up.
 
mr farb,

about time a LONG LONG overdue process is needed for these rifles. with this here i was VERY surpised with all the info and kind of starting from SCRATCH on k98 info that you USED the info reported on gunboards on the BYF44/45 as it known to have been rittled with missinformation for a long time?? still on chapter 4 been very busy.

later
vaughn
 
Bnz 43 large font
s/n 5689 on receiver, bolt body, safety, triggergaurd, rear sight base and leaf, stock (internally only). Gas shield, cocking piece, floorplate, barrel, and bands (both milled) un-numbered.
Barrel code is BF BNZ 1 in a shield, e/623
 

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I'm bumping this thread. I need to add a few observations to the study over the next few days.
 
Farb, lets get this one going.

I will brake down and provide the ones I have.

Can we also track army issued guns to compair BC's?


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Farb, lets get this one going.

I will brake down and provide the ones I have.

Can we also track army issued guns to compair BC's?


..

I've been working on that and added a few that I had accessible. I agree, lets get this rolling - any bnz4, single rune or SS contract, please report what you have.
 
What about that bnz43 I have with NO final firing proofs, just a serial on the receiver? No Waffenamts, just a bnz1 shield on the barrel shank, "ce" steel batch code, and a circle V7 proof. That's it.

RC, of course. I'll post pics if anyone wants to see it. farb knows the one I am talking about. I guess my question is, does the rifle belong in a discussion on SS contract guns?? Not sure if the jury ever came back with a verdict on these guns...

Jeff
 
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Farb...I have a mismatch bnz 4, you should have the data sheet if you still have the e-mail I sent you with all my data sheets...if not, let me know, and I'll re-submit...
 
Note the transition area - serial moves from receiver to barrel (by bbl code these are out of order above):

6757 (rcr) bnz43 (small) bw E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
1638 (bbl) bnz43 (big) cc E/623 (RC, suspected fake rune)
1924 (bbl) bnz43 (big) 44 D 4 2 3 E/135 (no other info reported)(odd Mauser supplied barrel)
1869 (rcr) bnz43 (big) ce E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
5578 (rcr) bnz43 (big) ce E/623 (RC) (no firing proof)
1467 (rcr) bnz4 (small) 43 R 2* E/135 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)(odd Mauser supplied barrel)
5287 (bbl) bnz43 (big) cj E/623 (fplate serialed, bands unseriealed)
3351 (bbl) bnx44 (big) DE E/623 (fplate/bands serialed)

In reality, the production sequence may have looked more like this (with large gaps of reported guns, this is very subjective, but it's fun to see it develop):

6757 (rcr) bnz43 (small) bw E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)

1869 (rcr) bnz43 (big) ce E/623 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)
5578 (rcr) bnz43 (big) ce E/623 (RC) (no firing proof)
1467 (rcr) bnz4 (small) 43 R 2* E/135 (tguard serialed, unserialed bands)(odd Mauser supplied barrel)
1638 (bbl) bnz43 (big) cc E/623 (RC, suspected fake rune)
1924 (bbl) bnz43 (big) 44 D 4 2 3 E/135 (no other info reported)(odd Mauser supplied barrel)
5287 (bbl) bnz43 (big) cj E/623 (fplate serialed, bands unseriealed)

3351 (bbl) bnx44 (big) DE E/623 (fplate/bands serialed)
 
What about that bnz43 I have with NO final firing proofs, just a serial on the receiver? No Waffenamts, just a bnz1 shield on the barrel shank, "ce" steel batch code, and a circle V7 proof. That's it.

RC, of course. I'll post pics if anyone wants to see it. farb knows the one I am talking about. I guess my question is, does the rifle belong in a discussion on SS contract guns?? Not sure if the jury ever came back with a verdict on these guns...

Jeff

Yours is an SS contract gun- I think it's on this list already. PZJGR, let me dig through and see if yours is on here too.
 
OK, yea, I see it in there. I was looking at it last night, don't recall the e/623...I will have to look again.

Jeff
 
Yours is an SS contract gun- I think it's on this list already. PZJGR, let me dig through and see if yours is on here too.

Farb, my SS contract is on your list, but I also have a bnz 4 regular Army contract that you can add to the regular contract list, if you can't find the data sheet let me know, and I'll re-send you the info on it...
 
Any of these what you are looking for? bnz43, rec#413 also bolt, safety, rear sight and triggerguard, e623 on bbl, none on receiver.
bnz 4, bbl 1973k, floorplate #, bc DR, rec right 77, 77, 623.
bnz 4 bbl 8858m, bands & tg fp blank,bc EB, rr 623 77.
JL
 
Any of these what you are looking for? bnz43, rec#413 also bolt, safety, rear sight and triggerguard, e623 on bbl, none on receiver.
bnz 4, bbl 1973k, floorplate #, bc DR, rec right 77, 77, 623.
bnz 4 bbl 8858m, bands & tg fp blank,bc EB, rr 623 77.
JL

Yes. Can you give me the bbl code from the first one? It sounds like an SS contract- or post a few photos if you can? Also, are your m and k block's bnz4 with small markings or bnz44 with the big markings?
 
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Yes. Can you give me the bbl code from the first one? It sounds like an SS contract- or post a few photos if you can? Also, are your m and k block's bnz4 with small markings or bnz44 with the big markings?
bnz43 bc as with bnz1 in shield. Others are both small bnz4 not 44. JL
 
Your M block sounds odd- should have numbered bands and floorplate, but the barrel code is really late. It's possible it's a later assembly- can you post some pics of it so we can check it out?
 
Your M block sounds odd- should have numbered bands and floorplate, but the barrel code is really late. It's possible it's a later assembly- can you post some pics of it so we can check it out?
Pics of bnz4.
 

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More pics. JL
 

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