Late phosphate "B" block Radom Vis p35
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Wow. Very cool.
Did you ever field strip it? If so any suggestions? I did try, but not having the take down lever is more challenging than what I expected.That would be awesome. Thank you!
Ok, remove the magazine. The hammer has a notch on it which is the takedown assist.
Pull the slide back and push the rear lever down, allowing the hammer drop mechanism to catch the hammer in that notch:
That holds the slide back almost enough to pull the takedown lever out, but not quite. It takes 2 hands to do the next part, hard to take pics. But, hold the pistol with your left hand, with your thumb on the protruding pin of the takedown lever:
With the other hand, pull on the guide rod that is sticking out under the barrel. I don't show it in this pic but I use a shop towel to assist pulling the rod- it's under pretty strong spring pressure:
As you pull this rod forward, push with your thumb that is on the right side "button" that is the end of the takedown lever. It will fall right out. Here's the cam inside that holds the lever, pulling the guide rod moves it.
Hope this makes sense. Harder to take the pics than I thought holding the phone in one hand and the gun in the other. Needed one more hand!
Pull the slide back and push the rear lever down, allowing the hammer drop mechanism to catch the hammer in that notch:
That holds the slide back almost enough to pull the takedown lever out, but not quite. It takes 2 hands to do the next part, hard to take pics. But, hold the pistol with your left hand, with your thumb on the protruding pin of the takedown lever:
With the other hand, pull on the guide rod that is sticking out under the barrel. I don't show it in this pic but I use a shop towel to assist pulling the rod- it's under pretty strong spring pressure:
As you pull this rod forward, push with your thumb that is on the right side "button" that is the end of the takedown lever. It will fall right out. Here's the cam inside that holds the lever, pulling the guide rod moves it.
Hope this makes sense. Harder to take the pics than I thought holding the phone in one hand and the gun in the other. Needed one more hand!
Thanks for the barrel pic - no serial or firing proof - did you notice that the slide is also missing the firing proof? This pistol is super late, one of the last assembled I bet. That is why your barrel is not numbered - barrel serial was done after proof testing.
My barrel is numbered. My slide is numbered the same way, which is not how the late k block slides are numbered. These B block wood grip pistols are so cool. My grip safety is mismatched but original.
My barrel is numbered. My slide is numbered the same way, which is not how the late k block slides are numbered. These B block wood grip pistols are so cool. My grip safety is mismatched but original.
mike radford
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Looks like you have a barrel mismatch but a nice gun. I see more mismatches in these phosphate guns than at any other time of production. I have a second K2000ish gun with slide and barrel matching each other but not matching the frame. It likely would have had a bnz slide originally. Did you pistol come from Richard C? It looks like one I saw at NGD recently. I looked at several second B block guns and most were blue. I have encountered more blue than Phosphate in this block so these are a good find
Mike, nice second B block in phosphate. Good showing on how to do the takedown. I too need a shirt tail or rag to help pull that guide rod and often the slide stop will fall out if you hold it right side down and shake it a bit. Do not take this rod/spring assembly apart or you will need several Aspirin for the headache and a new eye ball if you get hit in the eye. This simplification deleting the take down lever was quite a wise thing to do IMO and one of the few improvements the Germans contributed to the original design.
Enjoy your new treasure.
I didn't notice any other markings in the slide.
Thanks Mike! I bought it at a local show in Virginia, but not from him. I am going to have Bill York take a look at it in November. I know these late phosphate ones are rare, and wanting something to complement my late war high turret I bought it.
Mike, you are mistaken about the barrel being incorrect. This pistol lacks the final firing proof and acceptance on the slide, so barrel will correctly be unnumbered. Basically, unfinished and probably captured at Molln, the assembly point for all things Steyr after the bombings in February 44. If you have York's book on these he swerves into that with his document on P.51.
By the way, I got mine from a good friend last year at the SOS.
I've had quite a few late k blocks but stupidly sold them over the years- no more.
By the way, I got mine from a good friend last year at the SOS.
I've had quite a few late k blocks but stupidly sold them over the years- no more.
mike radford
Senior Member
Mike, you are mistaken about the barrel being incorrect. This pistol lacks the final firing proof and acceptance on the slide, so barrel will correctly be unnumbered. Basically, unfinished and probably captured at Molln, the assembly point for all things Steyr after the bombings in February 44. If you have York's book on these he swerves into that with his document on P.51.
By the way, I got mine from a good friend last year at the SOS.
I've had quite a few late k blocks but stupidly sold them over the years- no more.
Thanks Mike, I had never noticed that on any of the second B blocks but never say never. Glad the op's barrel is correct. I have York's book but was not impressed enough to do a cover to cover read.
The second Ks are much easier to find than the Phosphate second B blocks. I know of a pretty nice one which is available if you want one.
There was more than one second B phosphate at NGD recently and of these one the guy said it was mismatched before I put hands on it so I went on. Wonder if this is it? These remain my favorite Nazi supervised pistol.
jack944
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thanks
Thanks for being stupid and selling me K5551....
Mike, you are mistaken about the barrel being incorrect. This pistol lacks the final firing proof and acceptance on the slide, so barrel will correctly be unnumbered. Basically, unfinished and probably captured at Molln, the assembly point for all things Steyr after the bombings in February 44. If you have York's book on these he swerves into that with his document on P.51.
By the way, I got mine from a good friend last year at the SOS.
I've had quite a few late k blocks but stupidly sold them over the years- no more.
Thanks for being stupid and selling me K5551....
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mike radford
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It is pretty complicated, not every detail is known, and I finally read the section on post Dec. 1944 production in York's book last night. I have not fully digested it yet so Mike can probably help, or Bob. It is good and some great history there with many documents in German partially translated. My problem with York's book was my expectation to get a good collector guide, which it falls a bit short of IMO, but good in other ways.
The Phosphate guns are all assembled after the factory equipment was moved in late 1944. All are in the second block of serial numbers, at least that is traditional wisdom(a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j and k). The majority are in second K block, second most common is second B block, then second A block. The ones outside these blocks are very uncommon, second J block only 4 examples are known last I heard. The ones I have seen are just in a,b,j and K blocks. York says they can be in any of the second blocks. I discussed this with Charlie Wagner just a couple weeks ago at NGD, he usually sets up beside me there. He has seen a few outside my witnessed blocks as York suggests. Obviously they were not all in a series of serial numbers and are spread out. Plus, Mike, with aid of the OP's pistol has shown the last one, or some of the last examples, could be in B block(or any of the known blocks) since there is no final firing proof on the barrel and slide on the OP's pistol. This is something I had never noted. I had always assumed the last pistol would be a K block about 9000 serial number. The highest serial number is near second K 9000.
bnz marked slide examples seem to fall in about second K1000-K2400 serial range. Most bnz slide marked guns are phosphate but a few are blue and I have had one blue example in hand. There are also blank slides(and several other blocks including pre-alpha) in second K with a phospahate finish and one with no slide grip serrations(see Charlie Wagner's display at Tulsa or SCGCA shows if he ever does it again). Typically, a phosphate example will have a 623 on the left trigger guard. I would look very closely if it is missing or seems to be missing, some are poorly stamped but also some late guns have a phosphate finish added and the grips are reproduced, i.e. fakes.
Maybe some others can add and/or correct. It is probably a good idea to do this on Jan's to get the Polish and other "experts" like Kris, Charlie, and others to fill in some holes.
Hope this helps. Interesting pistols for sure.