K98k with Banner stock (RC?)

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befus

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K98k with Banner stock (RC?) PHOTOS ADDED

Help me out here guys. I have a pretty good number of pre-98 and SA contract Mausers, but not many WWII types. My neighbor brought over his K98 wanting details as to value, etc. It looks like a RC in that it has a dip blue, but has no X and the bolt is not EPed. The nice walnut stock is also interesting as it is not shellacked, but does have a number on the left butt just in front of a Mauser banner. Right butt markings and WaA's are still visible. It's an s/27 Erma made in 1937 originally. I'd guess the average RC is going at about $500, but just guessing. Any info on the rifle/stock/value appreciated.
 
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A mauser banner on the stock? Any other marks/stamps on the stock?
As far as value, RC's are all over the place. 200-1000(which is absolutely bananas)
Bore condition, overall condition, etc. comes into play. Are you wanting to buy it?
 
moconfed said:
A mauser banner on the stock? Any other marks/stamps on the stock?
As far as value, RC's are all over the place. 200-1000(which is absolutely bananas)
Bore condition, overall condition, etc. comes into play. Are you wanting to buy it?
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No, no interest, he just knows I collect guns and wanted info. I gave him a repro K98 sling I had in my sling box. He has a Carcano, and a Garand, and this. Just being helpful.
 
runner said:
Sounds like a stock from a Chinese export K98k.
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? I know nothing about that. Would those have had the WaA's on the right butt and an acceptance cartouche above that? Don't think it was Heer, but didn't look that hard either.
 
befus said:
? I know nothing about that. Would those have had the WaA's on the right butt and an acceptance cartouche above that? Don't think it was Heer, but didn't look that hard either.
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Mine does not have a German acceptance on the right butt. After reviewing Vol. 1, the stock is most likely from the Japanese export contract, as these also had the Mauser Banner on the left side of the buttstock, and double acceptance on the right side.
 
Does the number on the left side of stock match the rifle receiver number? I think you may have to get some photos posted here to get more info.
 
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I got my buddy to take a couple pix with his phone and send. I think you can see the stock markings pretty well. See what you think of the stock now.
 

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Banner marked stock

All indications lead to Japanese contract...probably from the late 1938 run.
The original serial number should be marked on the bottom of the stock.
If I were a betting man it will be in the v-w-x-y-z range.

If you can either get the serial and letter block or an image of the original stock serial.

The rifles for the Japanese contract were pulled from standard military production and only lack
the final service acceptance stamp (normally "e/H" for Heer (Army)).

The Mauser Banner was also added to the left side of the stock.

Both the Chinese contract and Japanese contract K98k runs share the Mauser Banner stock stamp.
The main difference is that the Chinese contract guns used no military inspected parts (Waffenamt inspections and acceptance).
Instead the Chinese K98ks were assembled using a Mauser commercial contract protocol albeit built to K98k specifications.

This rifle being a Russian capture was likely captured or surrendered in the far east theater if operations (Manchuria) and
made its way back to some Russian arsenal for processing. There are also random imported rifles from China (usually beat hard) that
were Japanese contract K98ks.

B.
 
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Interesting history with that stock! Since the rifle s/n (4037) is different than the Russian added s/n to the stock (3904), perhaps the RC stock was used to return a sporterized rifle to military configuration. Nothing shown in the photos show that the rifle itself is RC. Do any of the serials match on the metal parts?
 
Stan said:
Interesting history with that stock! Since the rifle s/n (4037) is different than the Russian added s/n to the stock (3904), perhaps the RC stock was used to return a sporterized rifle to military configuration. Nothing shown in the photos show that the rifle itself is RC. Do any of the serials match on the metal parts?
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IIRC, just the barrel shank and the receiver. The bolt is unmarked and the receiver obviously does not have an X. The other parts (including the stock) do not match. Only the funky blue, lack of capture screws, and stock re-number really indicate RC from what I know. It is intriguing that the original rifle could have been captured in Manchuria! Hate to ask, but my buddy will ask me what sort of value this might have. I just took a screen shot and sent this info to him. It is a cool piece to me and I am beginning to wish I did own it. Thanks for the help/info guys.
 
Banner stock

Previous post is correct in the restoration of the RC stock.
I did not even look at the rifle, just the stock images.

My bad...but the stock is from an RC and once was force matched to some random action.
It would be completely different story if the Russians had left the guns in their original as
captured or surrendered condition.
 
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