Danzig 1889 Gew 88 "S"

chrisftk

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Hi All,

Here's another harder to find 88. The formal designation is "88 Rifle adapted for S Ammunition"(Storz).

These were converted in 1915 out of the worry that the standard 88 sights would not be correct when using the updated S. Patrone rounds. The conversion was simple in that new graduations were marked on the rear sight (I am under the impression these were ground and re-marked, rather than new sights being installed) Further, the small flip sight was rendered unusable by having the V-notch milled out. The stocks were marked with a crown/S to indicate the work had been done. Finally, like many 88s with ww1 service, the spring clip dust-cover was added the the magazine to protect from dirt/mud.

Stroz indicated that Samsonwerke was one of the contractors responsible for the conversions, though Prussia likely utilized other sources as well. These had a low survival rate and are reasonably tricky to find today. I know Ernie here has studied these, so I hope he can fill any gaps in my narrative.

This particular example is my 2nd 88 S. The base rifle is a cool fairly early Danzig with the original "G. Mod. 88" siderail designation. The screws appear to have been updated to the new model ones, so perhaps in a prior refurb. It is matching, though it sustained some damage to the rear sight leaf. This could have been field damage, damage from being tossed in a pile, or a prior owner being careless. I've decided to leave as-is for the time being, as I have plenty of other 88s should I choose to go shooting. The price on this one was very low by today's standards, so I don't mind the issue. The stock also has some light old sanding and some gashes on the left buttstock (maybe shrapnel damage).

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Another nice Gew 88 from you. Thanks for posting. I've always had a "soft spot" for the Gew 88. First centerfire rifle I ever had was a Danzig 1894 88/05 (Turk used) close to 50 years ago now.
 
Another nice Gew 88 from you. Thanks for posting. I've always had a "soft spot" for the Gew 88. First centerfire rifle I ever had was a Danzig 1894 88/05 (Turk used) close to 50 years ago now.
Thanks Stan, these guys are very underappreciated. In some ways I enjoy them more than the 98s.
 
I too have taken a fancy to them, the diversity of variations, modifications and markings all tend to intrigue!

* also the relative rarity for original condition and low comparative prices all make them attractive options (98k variations are wildly overpriced by comparison, though the 98k has always had a lot going for them also, though in a different context)

I added this to the research trends post, these early and late production rifles are most interesting of the bunch, especially with the upgrades. But, I have had to limit the data collected on the tread because I track so many things (in my personal trends work I use different pages for each key component), but these more original and or complex rifles have too much to put in a single line!
 
BTW, can you take a few more pictures of the RS, the scale in particular? I am trying to get a firmer grip on the RS upgrade variations, the marking etc... this is not something most go into detail regarding, but ernie's recent comments on this has intrigued enough to see it I can get a better understanding of how the different modifications look regarding these RS scales and components.

The interest in the G88 is a rather new thing for me, years ago, a couple decades ago, they held little appeal, original examples were rarely encountered, especially at shows or even at auction and few really good researchers were known (to me), but about a decade ago this started to change and in many ways these are more difficult to sort out than the G98 variations. (plus you can count the G88 researchers - my definition of one - can be counted on one hand..)
 
I see how you would feel the S sight being ground from the original. It makes sense as you say the flip up site is milled away. Why would that exist on a new made sight? Great info Chris
Another great old war horse. Thanks!
 
I too have taken a fancy to them, the diversity of variations, modifications and markings all tend to intrigue!

* also the relative rarity for original condition and low comparative prices all make them attractive options (98k variations are wildly overpriced by comparison, though the 98k has always had a lot going for them also, though in a different context)

I added this to the research trends post, these early and late production rifles are most interesting of the bunch, especially with the upgrades. But, I have had to limit the data collected on the tread because I track so many things (in my personal trends work I use different pages for each key component), but these more original and or complex rifles have too much to put in a single line!
Agreed, While I'll still dabble in TR stuff, i find imperial prices much more attractive. The 88 is just such an interesting outlier in a sea of Mausers.
BTW, can you take a few more pictures of the RS, the scale in particular? I am trying to get a firmer grip on the RS upgrade variations, the marking etc... this is not something most go into detail regarding, but ernie's recent comments on this has intrigued enough to see it I can get a better understanding of how the different modifications look regarding these RS scales and components.

The interest in the G88 is a rather new thing for me, years ago, a couple decades ago, they held little appeal, original examples were rarely encountered, especially at shows or even at auction and few really good researchers were known (to me), but about a decade ago this started to change and in many ways these are more difficult to sort out than the G98 variations. (plus you can count the G88 researchers - my definition of one - can be counted on one hand..)
Paul, here you go-- a few pics, I also did a side-by-side-- I dont have an 88/14 (one day), but otherwise a complete Gew88 sight comparison


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I see how you would feel the S sight being ground from the original. It makes sense as you say the flip up site is milled away. Why would that exist on a new made sight? Great info Chris
Another great old war horse. Thanks!

Thanks Rick--- yeah, you can see the ridges on the sides from where the original graduations were ground off and new ones stamped.
 
The comparisons side-by-side are very helpful, - though I should actually read Storz 88 book!

I had thought of cutting the G88 research-trends thread loose, but on reconsideration I think I need to simplify it and add some basic information like Chris has provided, - part of the problem is it is too extensive and complex for purposes here (on a forum post); trying to duplicate my trends work (worse combining several projects into one sheet - or post - when I do them spread over several sheets focusing on a single aspect) on a single forum thread can't be done effectively.
 
Yes, the same grinding of the rear sight graduations was seen on the Turk used rifles that had their style numbers. Many got machined off again when the Turks switched to Western style numbers in the late 1920's. A photo of one clearly shows a trace of the original graduations like your third photo (Gew 88S)...
 

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Yes, the same grinding of the rear sight graduations was seen on the Turk used rifles that had their style numbers. Many got machined off again when the Turks switched to Western style numbers in the late 1920's. A photo of one clearly shows a trace of the original graduations like your third photo (Gew 88S)...
Indeed, i had a friend recent grab a turk 88/05 with the western numbers added back thinking it was some sort of S rifle-- I had to break the news.

The comparisons side-by-side are very helpful, - though I should actually read Storz 88 book!

I had thought of cutting the G88 research-trends thread loose, but on reconsideration I think I need to simplify it and add some basic information like Chris has provided, - part of the problem is it is too extensive and complex for purposes here (on a forum post); trying to duplicate my trends work (worse combining several projects into one sheet - or post - when I do them spread over several sheets focusing on a single aspect) on a single forum thread can't be done effectively.
I think it's a nice thread Paul- much like the 71s, I like the serial observations and it helps me be mindful of scarcer maker/dates. Maybe we add informational posts on the 88/05, 88S and 88/14 like we did the carbine variants? I don't know that it makes sense to trend the upgrades, the changes look as though they followed an SOP. Just a thought.
 
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