J.P. Sauer 1916

mauser1908

mauser1908

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I've looked for a nice JPS for the last 10 years, this was certainly worth the wait. Mike, I can't thank you enough for helping me add this one. Sauer was the last maker I needed to have all 11 standard manufacturers. I couldn't be happier with this example.

Now, on to the rifle, it's a late 1916 JPS with both stock features. It's a total time capsule, factory matching and untouched. I have always thought of the consortium as being crude at times, Chris has always remarked that JPS was the best of the three. After finally having one in hand I can safely say I was wrong, Sauer was a cut above the rest. The fit and finish seems every bit as nice as WMO or Amberg.

Paul, I'll be sure to get some photos of the barrel code, I just haven't had a chance to get it disassembled yet.


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That has to be a record for stamps on the bottom of the receiver. Wonderful rifle. Stunning wood. Congratulations
 
mauser1908 said:
Paul, here are a few of the internals and the barrel code.
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Thanks Sam! I needed these as earlier pictures do not capture the BC or bolt lower flat acceptance. (nor the BP suffix)

It is a fine example, and nice Suhl's are tough!
 
biggymu said:
That has to be a record for stamps on the bottom of the receiver. Wonderful rifle. Stunning wood. Congratulations
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Thank you! Random stamps are well represented on consortium receivers. Haenel made most of the receivers used by the three member firms. I would suspect the receiver on this JPS was made by CGH but accepted by an alternate inspector, Haenel is typically C/B. These stamps represent something, possibly an in house inspection of some sort. Maybe they’re associated with the in-house inspection of non-organic receivers. I’ve seen them on Haenel manufactured JPS and VCS receivers but not on CGH assembled rifles. I think it might be associated with the fact that the part which required the greatest degree of technical skill to make was produced at another firm. I’ll qualify this by stating I haven’t seen a lot of CGH assembled rifles, only a few disassembled. Lots of speculation.
Loewe said:
Thanks Sam! I needed these as earlier pictures do not capture the BC or bolt lower flat acceptance. (nor the BP suffix)

It is a fine example, and nice Suhl's are tough!
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Thanks Paul!
 
Thanks Cyrus! I haven’t seen another one other than c/B but I still need to comb through the forum and take a look. I find the c/Q interesting as well, I wonder if that inspector bobbled between VCS and JPS. I’ve seen c/Q on the last acceptance position for both firms. My Haenel is another oddball, c/D. Hard to say who made that one, I’m sure it’s possible both guns have CGH receivers. I might start a thread about consortium bayonets, maybe a data base of them will help. Paul probably has a good idea of their origin already.
 
This acceptance (#1 RR) is typical for JPS in this range, not sure the origin, but it isn't JPS, - possibly Erfurt, as the t-block Erfurt definitely supplied receivers for the Suhl group. The C/A (I record is as crown/A though it could be something else, the exact character doesn't matter, the proper recording of the character for trends is what matters - recording the mistake consistently!); but we know C/B is CGH because CGH production is C/B x3 or the last two mating acceptance are. CGH made most of the receivers for all three, but it is not absolute, in ranges (r-t) Erfurt receivers show up, not sure this is one such but in the t-block certainly has them. I would have to review Erfurt trends to see if there is a supporting pattern for this C/A(?)
 
cj556 said:
Killer rifle that couldn’t be in a better home.
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Thanks Marc!
Loewe said:
This acceptance (#1 RR) is typical for JPS in this range, not sure the origin, but it isn't JPS, - possibly Erfurt, as the t-block Erfurt definitely supplied receivers for the Suhl group. The C/A (I record is as crown/A though it could be something else, the exact character doesn't matter, the proper recording of the character for trends is what matters - recording the mistake consistently!); but we know C/B is CGH because CGH production is C/B x3 or the last two mating acceptance are. CGH made most of the receivers for all three, but it is not absolute, in ranges (r-t) Erfurt receivers show up, not sure this is one such but in the t-block certainly has them. I would have to review Erfurt trends to see if there is a supporting pattern for this C/A(?)
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Thanks for the great info Paul. I compared the 1917 Erfurt * that Chris now owns to my Haenel and the hardening proofs are the same, so it’s safe to say my CGH uses an Erfurt receiver. I find that fascinating.
 
I think Erfurt was involved at Suhl more than is normally accepted, - much like Spandau at DWM and probably WMO, though it is probably less so in the latter case for DWM and WMO were capable of massive high quality production and had shown this clearly in large contracts.
 
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