Mystery Chinese Mauser Standard Model 7x57

Hello all, I have acquired one of my late grandfathers rifles (the only ones that did not get sporterized) and I have been clueless on what exactly it is for years now. It doesn't seem to fit any specific configuration. The big mystery for years was the caliber, after getting it slugged it turned out to be 7x57. I have shot it since this discovery and it's extremely accurate. It definitely has the Chinese Sun stamp but I'm not sure as to the other markings. I will post pictures below.

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This looks like a Chinese standard modell 1933 and the marks on the wood suggest the stock is German made model 1909 stock for Argentina military. That is a Nationalist Chinese symbol on reciever.
 
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This looks like a Chinese standard modell 1933 and the marks on the wood suggest the stock is German made model 1909 stock for Argentina military. That is a Nationalist Chinese symbol on reciever.
The model 1933 looks like a K98k length, this thing is definitely 1909 argentine length. Thanks for the info on the stock markings, I suspected the stock was not original.
 
This is a rifle assembled from various parts. The receiver is from a Chinese 1939 contract K98k rifle. Not a Chinese SM

The beta on rear sight and stock cartouche identify itself a South America origin. The barrel is made in Belgium.

Obviously, none of these parts matched each other. Many Chinese guns came to US in parts. I've seen a lot of guns assembled from these Chinese parts. No mystery of this gun.
 
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This is a rifle reassembled from various parts. The receiver is from a Chinese 1939 contract K98k

The beta on rear sight and stock cartouche identify itself a Argentina origin.

Please Check if the stock and furniture are matched with receiver. (I do not think so)
The stock is not original and as others have pointed out has German markings for Argentina.
 
Ok..
We know the period by the Mauser 1935 commercial Banner style logo. The stock is definately Model 1909 Argentina. Looks like a made Brazilian with the China crest.
 
This is a rifle reassembled from various parts. The receiver is from a Chinese 1939 contract K98k

The beta on rear sight and stock cartouche identify itself a Argentina origin.

Please Check if the stock and furniture are matched with receiver. (I do not think so)
I’d agree w/the 1st & 2nd statements, but not the 3rd. The rifle is G98 barrel length (~740mm) not 600mm like K98k. 7mm was never a caliber used by the Argentines, (7.65x53) but was used by Brazil & Chile. The ‘B’ is a mark associated with Brazil, not Argentina, as are the ‘w’ or ‘3’ or whatever that is, ditto parts marked w/ ‘a’ with long tails. “Sometimes” that script capital B is associated w/Standardmodell rifles.
The wood does look like M1909 Argentine long rifle. Both bands probably have marks confirming their origin; I don’t think the upper is Argentine because it lacks the hook for the aux sling loop. A Frisian cap (striped knit triangular) and clasping hands are typical Argentine marks. The manner & placement of the external serial number, L####, is typical of how the Argies did it.
 
I’d agree w/the 1st & 2nd statements, but not the 3rd. The rifle is G98 barrel length (~740mm) not 600mm like K98k. 7mm was never a caliber used by the Argentines, (7.65x53) but was used by Brazil & Chile. The ‘B’ is a mark associated with Brazil, not Argentina, as are the ‘w’ or ‘3’ or whatever that is, ditto parts marked w/ ‘a’ with long tails. “Sometimes” that script capital B is associated w/Standardmodell rifles.
The wood does look like M1909 Argentine long rifle. Both bands probably have marks confirming their origin; I don’t think the upper is Argentine because it lacks the hook for the aux sling loop. A Frisian cap (striped knit triangular) and clasping hands are typical Argentine marks. The manner & placement of the external serial number, L####, is typical of how the Argies did it.
Is it possible to rechamber an 8mm K98k into a 7x57? I know you can just swap the barrel out, wondering specially about bolt compatibility and receiver design.
 
Is it possible to rechamber an 8mm K98k into a 7x57? I know you can just swap the barrel out, wondering specially about bolt compatibility and receiver design

So, possible, maybe, but not practical. Recutting a chamber for a larger cartridge with the same bullet is feasible, but how do you cut a diameter to a smaller size? The chamber might be sleeved, but what about the main bore? A .22 trainer rig does what you are describing, but there’s enough diameter difference between .22 & 8mm to make it practical, not so much when the difference is only .03937”……
 
So, possible, maybe, but not practical. Recutting a chamber for a larger cartridge with the same bullet is feasible, but how do you cut a diameter to a smaller size? The chamber might be sleeved, but what about the main bore? A .22 trainer rig does what you are describing, but there’s enough diameter difference between .22 & 8mm to make it practical, not so much when the difference is only .03937”……
Curiosity got the best of me, I disassembled the rifle as far as I'm comfortable with. The upper handguard is extremely tight and I don't want to risk cracking or breaking the wood to get it off. I will attach pictures of the stamps found inside (most curious of the barrel stamp). I know there are likely more stamps under the upper handguard but at this time I'm not comfortable risking taking it off to check.

Also in the pictures, the trigger guard assembly does not fit the stock (there are gaps in the corners) this supports the stock not being original.

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Curiosity got the best of me, I disassembled the rifle as far as I'm comfortable with. The upper handguard is extremely tight and I don't want to risk cracking or breaking the wood to get it off. I will attach pictures of the stamps found inside (most curious of the barrel stamp). I know there are likely more stamps under the upper handguard but at this time I'm not comfortable risking taking it off to check.

Also in the pictures, the trigger guard assembly does not fit the stock (there are gaps in the corners) this supports the stock not being original.

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The crown oval mark on the underside of the barrel is s Belgium definitive proof mark per one of my reference books.
 
So you have a Chinese 1933 receiver, 7mm Belgian barrel, what looks like and Argentine stock (at least the bayonet lug). Can’t understand why you would be confused. Looks like something Bannermann would have made.
 
You are right to be careful w/the handguard. The spring is pretty strong, held to hg by 2 screws, in not much thickness of 110 year old walnut. I’m always afraid of scratches on the barrel from the cut edges of the spring. Since you have the action out of the stock, you “should be” able to remove it w/out damage, if you so choose. (easier that way) 1st, remove the screw at the front of the rear sight as it sometimes overhangs the edge of the hg. Next, either remove the rear sight leaf (I do) or stand it straight up, because the cursor ‘wings’ at the rear overhang the slot in the guard. Then starting at the front & using both hands, lift evenly at the edges, working towards the rear. It’ll suddenly pop off, and then you can rotate the hg 90 degrees to clear the standing rear sight, clean & oil under the guard. I think this handguard isn’t original to the stock, because it is slightly wider than the stock, & wouldn’t have been shipped that way.

I think the hole in this stock was enlarged for a .30-06 magazine, why it doesn’t fit correctly. The contract for the M1909 was run at DWM in the years 1910-12, before the outbreak of ‘The Great War’ when ‘old world craftsmanship’ really meant something, not just a sales pitch. I have 3 1909s & the workmanship is very good, almost unbelievable for a time without cnc machines, but still a mass production situation. In your pics, one can see how closely & well finished the inside of the stock is, how closely it fits all the metal EXCEPT the ‘cartridge box’. The original 1909 contract was for ~120k-200k rifles and 3-5 spare barrels PER RIFLE, + a ton of other spare parts. The Argies rebuilt their rifles repeatedly until after WW2, when the US gave them a ton of surplus .30-06 ammo, then they rebarreled some for that caliber, & changed/modified the t guard/cartridge box to fit the longer rounds. Prior to 1950, Argentina didn’t manufacture their own M1909s, but afterwards, they did (6 digit serial, no letter prefix, different national crest, still 8mm). The M1909 trigger guard had a hinged floor plate, but was exactly the same profile as the standard detachable floor plate M98, so that’s not why this stock was ‘buggered’. I‘m curious about the piece of metal in the stock channel in front of the forward action screw hole. The original recoil lug sits behind the hole, this is in front of it. Nut for cleaning rod? The receiver is definitely a Mauser Oberndorf, as seen by the ‘RW/WR’ mark on the bottom.

Sorry for the long story, as you may suspect, I enjoy ‘forensic mechanics’ , the process of looking at old rifles & learning their history from such evidence as we can see. If this were my rifle, I might not shoot it in this stock, as the relief at the t guard has likely compromised the fit to the stock, & it might split with much firing. I see signs that this rifle is a rescue/put together. (still interesting)
 
A bunch of new replacement barrels came out of South America years ago with the Belgian proof as shown I had one and sold it recently, 7mm large ring. I seem to remember that that proof was for barrels for use in Germany and clearly it was shipped to SA for spares. Looks like some hobbiest had fun with this one.
 
So you have a Chinese 1933 receiver, 7mm Belgian barrel, what looks like and Argentine stock (at least the bayonet lug). Can’t understand why you would be confused. Looks like something Bannermann would have made.
Spot on..! But possibly an FN Model made for Brazil but ended up in China.
 
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