Prussian Jägerbüchse 1811 UM

chrisftk

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Here's a nice throwback to the pre-unification era that I picked up back in 2022.

I have a fairly diverse Jägerbüchse collection ranging from flintlock to Gew98s and this one checked a big box for me. Many thanks to @Spartaner545 (Vincent) for helping me find German language resources on Prussian black powder weapons and for his wonderful assistance in identifying the various traits on this rifle. The Jägerbüchse were originally rifled muzzle loaders that used a patched bullet to achieve significant accuracy compared with smoothbore muskets. They were used to great effect in several conflicts in the 17 and early 1800s by a number of German states. In a case of imitation being the most sincere form of flattery, the British later followed suit with the Baker rifle.

In any case, there are a few features that identify this as a Jägerbüchse 1811 UM, rather than the 1835 model-- first is that the nosecap is the original, long version (this was changed in the 1820s to a short one)-- secondly the rear sling swivel is the older, rounded type. The patchbox in the buttstock has two holes in the interior for storing spare nipples (an easily broken part). The ramrod is unfortunately not original to the rifle.

The unit marking (1820s or 30s era), which appears on the buttplate (and partially underneath the barrel!) is 2C 2JA 78" reads as the "2nd Company, 2nd Jäger-Abteilung, weapon nr. 78.

Another interesting fact that was shared with me is that this example was reworked with a Patentschwanzschraube (Patented end-of-barrel screw), a unit that the barrel was threaded into (and the very end of the barrel removed to accomodate it, this removing the original year of production and FW cypher) This was done to some, but not all of the reworked Jäger rfiles.

Finally, there is a an L.B. marking on the left side of the stock. I am told that the Prussians inspected all weapons in 1852 to assess their condition and usefulness. They were rated on one of the following scales per Vincent :
1) "ready for field use" => no markings
2) "ready for Defence duties with rear line units" => marked D
3) "ready for general armament of the nation in case of an all out war" (germ. Landes-Bewaffnung) => marked L.B.
4) "still usable for training, drill and exercise" => marked E
5) "unusable" (germ. Ausschuss) => marked A


So this example was set aside for a national emergency-- the Hirschfanger bayonet lug was likely ground off during this inspection.

Finally, this one appears to have been sold off to the US either as a Civil War era purchase by the Union, or a postwar commercial purchase. It appears the lockplate was later rustblued, but the rifle remains largely original and unbuggered. There is some information on these rifles sold in America in the book " European Arms in the Civil War" by Schwalm and Hofmann.

In any case, I thought it would be an interesting sidebar for those interested in Prussian Jägerbüchse

Here are the pics.

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More pics (you can clearly see how the barrel was threaded into the rear block) and a group shot with my Napoleonic King's German Legion flintlock Jägerbüchse (covered in a separate thread, but neat hybrid with Baker rifle traits from its service to the British when the Hanoverian army fought as part of them)

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Now that’s something you don’t see every day. Wonderful piece, as per your usual.

There is some information on these rifles sold in America in the book " European Arms in the Civil War" by Schwalm and Hofmann.

I’ve got this book and it’s a good resource, but take it with a grain of salt as more a place to start further research. Foreign arms in the ACW are a minefield and German ones doubly so. From what I’ve been able to tell it’s a pretty poorly researched field as far as any kind of study of types and patterns, and there’s a LOT of folk lore and wishful thinking. Part of it is reenactors wanting a more interesting and unique impression than your bog standard infantryman with an Springfield 61 or Enfield 53, and part of it is the increased attractiveness (and therefore marketability) of any gun you can apply ACW provenance to. Broadly similar to the issue you see with WW2 German Beutewaffen.

In addition to the big wave of imports of European arms that you saw during the war, there was a brisk trade in European surplus all through the later 19th and early 20th century and outfits like Bannerman brought in a lot of misc. European muzzle loaders.

The net result is a lot of people with an oddball German or Belgian musket in the attic from great great grandpa who really want it to be ab ACW heirloom when in reality he might have mail ordered it in the 1890s to poach deer with.

I’d love for someone to do a more detailed study in the future, but it’s niche enough that I kind of doubt it’s in the offing. It an area I spent just long enough digging into a few years back to realize that I probably wasn’t going to make good headway without radically changing my collecting priorities.
 
I’ve got this book and it’s a good resource, but take it with a grain of salt as more a place to start further research. Foreign arms in the ACW are a minefield and German ones doubly so. From what I’ve been able to tell it’s a pretty poorly researched field as far as any kind of study of types and patterns, and there’s a LOT of folk lore and wishful thinking. Part of it is reenactors wanting a more interesting and unique impression than your bog standard infantryman with an Springfield 61 or Enfield 53, and part of it is the increased attractiveness (and therefore marketability) of any gun you can apply ACW provenance to. Broadly similar to the issue you see with WW2 German Beutewaffen.
Thanks! That's good advice. I saw a few questionable things when I read it. I do think people hype up civil war provenance badly... I generally buy them at prices that don't include the civil War markup lol. If indeed something did have some sort of service, great. If not, also fine.

I have a few other weapons with similarly questionable history, though I focus on ones that remain relatively unchanged from Prussian or other German service.
 
Damn, now that's one of those rifles that most will never even see, much less even know existed. Your collection has got to be museum worthy at this point, would be nice to see a line up of all the Jägerbüchse to show the lineage.
 
I enjoy viewing your collection because of its diversity. Collecting one type of weapon, in my mind is like being a coin collector who only collects Sacagawea dollars. The history and development is fascinating.
Very interesting weapon Chris! The old world craftsmanship is built to last.
 
What a sweet piece! Makes my cutdown Saarn musket look boring.

This thing would have been the strumgewehr of its day! 😄
Thanks Jack-- no shame at all in a cut down Saarn-- less common arsenal, so maybe you can find a full length barrel and splice the stock. (Or just keep it as-is and pretend it's some Confederate Special Ops experimental carbine! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: )

Neat rifle Chris.... Way deeper than I go back in years. Love the old brass
Thanks man-- you know I'm slowly corrupting you. ;) Glad you are giving in... you'll have a nice 1839 Potsdam before you know it.

Damn, now that's one of those rifles that most will never even see, much less even know existed. Your collection has got to be museum worthy at this point, would be nice to see a line up of all the Jägerbüchse to show the lineage.
I enjoy viewing your collection because of its diversity. Collecting one type of weapon, in my mind is like being a coin collector who only collects Sacagawea dollars. The history and development is fascinating.
Very interesting weapon Chris! The old world craftsmanship is built to last.

Thanks for the kind words guys. I find the diversity in general German collecting refreshing.. there's a lot you can do.
I haven't done a group shot of my Jägerbüchse collection just yet, as I am missing an M54 Dreyse Pikenbüchse and a M65 Dreyse Jägerbüchse (last two "major" Dreyses I need [there's a sea of minor variants])

I do enjoy views of the progression of weapons though; Here's one I did a couple years ago of Bavarian infantry weapons made by Amberg from the Franco-Prussian War thru WW1.
(Top to bottom)
1) Podewils-Lindner
2) M69 Werder (original chambering)
3) M69 Werder Aptierer (converted to 11mm Mauser)
4) Gew 71
5) Gew 71/84
6) Gew 88
7) Gew 98

(Keen eye will note that I still need a neuemodell Werder (the ones built from the ground up for 11mm Mauser) and I did not include my Amberg 98a)
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Always great to see these early ones, Chris. The way the markings evolved is fascinating, and it's awesome to see such a detailed examination of one. I'll get it in the reference!
 
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