GunBroker Kar 98a - W/Every Accessory - Bad Bolt

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PatickD

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Did anyone here happen to win this Kar 98a?

The mud cover, trench mag, sling & bayonet all look legit.

The bolt is obviously bad.

I feel for just north of $2k, someone basically just paid for all the accessories. Rifle was just a bonus, haha.

What’s everyone’s thoughts?

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I was watching it. Magazine is a repro, but still a good deal all things considered.
If it wasn't a Weimar refurb gun I would've thrown 2400 at it.
 
Mag gave me the aged repro vibe, but hard to tell based on limited pics. Action cover was fine. The sling wasn't actual 98a sling from what I remember. Looks like a later one.

I don't think the buyer did terribly, though I wouldn't have gone much more with open questions.

The bolt is up for debate, it had the look of sloppy interwar/TR rework to me, though not a fan of the 2 digit safety. I've got about a dozen post-WW1 98a refurbs and they range from high quality renumbering with suffixes to the quality you'd expect from Heinz after a 3 day schnapps bender.

Aside from that, I do think an extended mag on a 98a looks idiotic and someone just itching to put "kewl" accessories on their gun.
 
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chrisftk said:
Mag gave me the aged repro vibe, but hard to tell based on limited pics. Action cover was fine.

I don't think the buyer did terribly, though I wouldn't have gone much more with open questions.

The bolt is up for debate, it had the look of sloppy interwar/TR rework to me, though not a fan of the 2 digit safety. I've got about a dozen post-WW1 98a refurbs and they range from high quality renumbering with suffixes to the quality you'd expect from Heinz after a 3 day schnapps bender.

Aside from that, I do think an extended mag on a 98a looks idiotic and someone just itching to put "kewl" accessories on their gun.
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It was your insight on the mag and reworked bolt that saved me from dropping too much money on it, so thank you for that.
As you said, all the photos of real Weissenburger & Company trench magazines show a painted black finish, and the repros are blued. The same seller had several other Mausers with identical shiny blued trench mags attached.
 
I was watching this one too but the bolt definitely gave me pause as well as the recoil lug being put in backwards since I'm not too familiar with interwar era refurb examples. Very neat to see a nice example of a legit action cover and Imperial era S84/98 though they're missing the flash suppressor, how can one even call that a kitted-out rifle? That aside, I'm just in the market for a plain matching Imperial Kar98a, something with that many accessories is a little overkill for what I'm looking for.
 
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Good feedback guys. Interesting on the mag. Guess I needed to look closer.

The bolt is definitely interesting. Good feedback on that too.
 
What I found super intriguing about this rifle was the depot stock. Crispy with lack of acceptance, and matched externally to the gun. Too bad the guy did not take it apart for additional photos. I followed the auction but not very closely, since I was not seriously interested.

Hard agree with others that it was an auction of accessories more so than the gun. The original 98a cover was the star of this auction. I was also curious about whether or not the original floorplate and follower were included, or lost to oblivion. I'm guessing the latter which would be disappointing, and explain why they slapped on a 'trench mag' to deflect from missing parts.

The S84/98 bayonet was an interesting addition, but without the flashguard seemed rather silly. IIRC these S84/98 conversions occurred from the late 1890s onward, so not necessarily rare or sought after.
 
OnlyMil said:
What I found super intriguing about this rifle was the depot stock. Crispy with lack of acceptance, and matched externally to the gun. Too bad the guy did not take it apart for additional photos. I followed the auction but not very closely, since I was not seriously interested.

Hard agree with others that it was an auction of accessories more so than the gun. The original 98a cover was the star of this auction. I was also curious about whether or not the original floorplate and follower were included, or lost to oblivion. I'm guessing the latter which would be disappointing, and explain why they slapped on a 'trench mag' to deflect from missing parts.

The S84/98 bayonet was an interesting addition, but without the flashguard seemed rather silly. IIRC these S84/98 conversions occurred from the late 1890s onward, so not necessarily rare or sought after.
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Honestly I'd expect the follower and floor plate were lost because of the trench mag, and not that the mag was used to cover that up. You used to be able to get repros cheap, and it was a pretty common mod in the 90s and early 00s. Sure it's "non destructive" but I think a lot of floor plates and followers suffer the same fate as numbered rear sight components when someone throws a non-D/T scope mount on: they sit in a parts drawer for a few years and then the rifle get sold on and the parts stay where they are.
 
OnlyMil said:
IIRC these S84/98 conversions occurred from the late 1890s onward, so not necessarily rare or sought after.
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The conversion from the bayonet model 71/84 to 84/98 were done ~1908-1910, depending on which literature sources you have at hand. They were to be used on the Gewehr, not the Karabiner; so the missing flashguard wasn't a concern. They are rarer than the run-of-the-mill 84/98 that was produced 1915-1918 and valued a bit more, at least here in Germany from what I observe. Maybe in the Americas you guys have more 84/98a.A. than n.A. ;)
 
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